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If you are a MIL who overstepped boundaries

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crikey456 · 09/08/2021 20:17

I've seen so many posts on Mumsnet about MIL's upsetting their DIL's. A lot of the posts are about MIL's overstepping the boundaries with newborns. I am trying to find MIL's who realise maybe years later that they did overstep boundaries and maybe the reasons why.

When I had my first baby my MIL suddenly had no respect for me. She turned up unannounced on a daily basis, often with friends. We would be mid dinner and she would apologise but make no attempt to leave. She would criticise me parenting. She would book us in to go and see her family members of a weekend to essentially show off the baby. It was almost like she was trying to be in control of our lives. She bought a xmas outfit for my Daughter and told me that's what she should wear for Xmas day. When around family members, she would just grab my baby off me and act as if she was hers. She ignored anything I asked her to do e.g milk at certain times and she would make a point of telling me she had done it differently. I once recall her telling me I was very good to let her look after her as I don't know the way she does things. Anyway, with my 2nd child, she was the absolute opposite. She is an absolutely lovely woman and would go to the ends of the earth to help anyone, so I just couldn't work it out.

If you are a MIL who realises now that you overstepped certain boundaries when your DIL first had a baby, what do you think the reasons were looking back?

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NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/08/2021 23:38

@allthemptyfields I don't know why you're getting so much flack for your comment, I thought you were perfectly clear!
I read it as don't push your way in, being all overbearing, offer help but don't push it on people.
Which is just common decency, surely?!
I know from experience it is horribly overwhelming when you have a small baby/child and MIL talks over you, doesn't listen to a word you say and does what they want anyway Sad
Nobody's saying they expect help at all, just that it'd be nice to be asked and listened to!
Even if you are coming from a nice place, it's still horrible to be on the receiving end of.
I see it this way, at least I know now what to do and not do when my turn comes lol (I hope I do anyway!)

sotiredofthislonelylife · 09/08/2021 23:39

@alltheemptyfields

Nannyamc you sound lovely.
Yes, she absolutely does! 💐
boringbrain · 10/08/2021 00:05

When my son was born, my own mother was interested in my health and ensured I was comfortable and well taken care of so I could take care of my son and bond with him as I had a difficult birth. My mil on the other hand, was more interested in bonding with my son, grabbing him from me when bf, waking up a sleeping infant when I've spent hours trying to put him down and walking away trying to soothe my crying son instead of bringing him to me as my son simply wanted to be on my chest.

I was pretty vulnerable after birth and my mother supported me physically and emotionally. I didn't get this from my mil and I can understand now it's because she didn't give birth to me. If I was her daughter, she would have supported me. This is bit like a strangers kid would break an arm and you would say poor little thing and carry on with your life, but if it was your own kid, you would go above and beyond to take care of your own child ensuring your child is pain free and comfortable (this is the case for most mothers anyway).

I don't know what sort of mil I would be but my main focus wouldn't be just taking over the baby and trying to be a mother to my GC. The baby has a mother but the mother (DIL) needs all the support she can get to be emotional and physically comfortable whether it's bringing her glass of water with a nice cooked meal or doing the dishes but also not forgetting the fact that she won't be as open with me than with her own mother and I should know when to take a step back.

saraclara · 10/08/2021 00:14

The first grandchild is a massive thing. And it's equally massive and emotional for both sets of grandparents.

There are so many posts on MN about MILs, that simply don't seem to recognise this. Excited maternal GMs are welcomed and understood. Excited paternal GMs are 'overbearing'.

Yes one is closer to the mother, but jeeze, have some empathy for the equally thrilled but somewhat sidelined GM.

My MIL was wonderful, mind. I could complain about her always wanting to fill our kids up with chocolate, but that would be churlish, as she only saw them every six weeks or so. Other than that she was amazing.

As for me, I have daughters, thank goodness. MN has genuinely made me glad I don't have sons. Which is actually pretty sad.

Panickingpavlova · 10/08/2021 00:16

All the empty fields, yes your comment is perfectly clear, and I felt pre pregnancy certainly treated like the vague but possibly vagrant neighbour, to suddenly having her hand touching my stomach without asking and actually telling me "it's OK because I'm grandma" Confused

@SmallChairs

That's hilarious Grin

Panickingpavlova · 10/08/2021 00:18

Sara Clara what a bizzare comment, just think yourself extremely lucky that all your mils misdemeanours add up to too much chocolate administration.

My goodness... Mumsnet is more than awash with desperate women sometimes at the point of wanting to end relationships because of toxic Mil dynamics that's ruining their lives, women terrified of leaving their partners because it may open up more than access to bitter nasty mils. Angry

NoNotMeNoSiree · 10/08/2021 00:23

My MIL was wonderful, mind. I could complain about her always wanting to fill our kids up with chocolate, but that would be churlish, as she only saw them every six weeks or so. Other than that she was amazing.

Erm yeah, if the worst you can come up with is being filled up with chocolate when you don't particularly want them to be, doesn't sound that bad really?!
That's not what people are talking about, there's a world of difference between giving too much chocolate (isn't that what grandparents do lol) and basically taking over and not seemingly giving a stuff what you want, and emotionally blackmailing over stuff too.
Unless you've got experience of it you won't "get" it.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 10/08/2021 00:29

As for me, I have daughters, thank goodness. MN has genuinely made me glad I don't have sons. Which is actually pretty sad

I have sons, I don't feel upset I have them at all, I know where some posters are coming from as have experienced it.
I say this as the DIL looking at my possible future role, this thread's interesting!
I just think if I'm friendly, make it known I'm always there to help, but don't try and take over and not listen hopefully it'll all be good lol.

BettyBakesBuns · 10/08/2021 00:39

When my daughter went into labour with her DC I was so stressed waiting for news, praying she would be OK (and I'm not religious) and that her labour wouldn't be too traumatic. I shed a few tears of relief when my son in law phoned to say she and the baby were fine, and I was desperate to speak to her when she was up to making a call. Her inlaws were very much focused on the baby. That's the difference.

alltheemptyfields · 10/08/2021 00:41

Yes one is closer to the mother, but jeeze, have some empathy for the equally thrilled but somewhat sidelined GM.

to be honest, I think some MIL don't really start a proper relationship with their son girlfriends, (or wives later on), don't take them seriously or happily and the arrival of a baby doesn't magically build bridges.

Holly60 · 10/08/2021 06:42

@alltheemptyfields

Some MIL confuse their DIL with their own child in the way they behave, instead of treating them like a vague neighbour...

In term of boundaries, if you wouldn't do it with someone you barely know, don't do it with your DIL. She is not not your daughter, you have no right over the baby whatsoever, your DIL and son are entitled to respect, privacy and at least to be ASKED (and offered some help).

Simple concept that goes way above some heads unfortunately

A vague neighbour?! 😂 my adult DD and DS and their partners would be horrified if I treated them like a vague neighbour! Yes my DSIL and DDIL are not my children and I don’t treat them as such, but they are part of my family and I love them very much, and would do anything for them. To be frank, I try not to treat my own children as ‘my children’ any more, because they are adults. I have had to negotiate a new relationship with them that respects the fact that they are all grown up with their own lives to lead (even though deep down they are still my babies)

I’ve never assumed that I have any ‘right’ over any of my DGC- no more so over my DD’s children than my DS’s. some posters on mumsnet seem to have this odd idea that somehow if your DD has a baby you get carte Blanche to misbehave in a way you wouldn’t if your son has a baby. I can assure you, you don’t. My DD would get just as annoyed as my DDIL if I did something that they didn’t like. I try to do everything exactly how they’ve asked. I remember what it’s like being a mummy to little ones, and try to be a support rather than a hindrance.

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UnderTheMoonlightWeDanced · 10/08/2021 07:35

Very interesting thread. I’m pregnant with first. I have a pleasant relationship with MIL but we are not super close and we are quite different (she was shocked when I said I would be breastfeeding in front of people ie her….)

She’s super lovely and so excited for GC and has been buying lots of gifts which is so sweet.

The thing that I’m reading on here that is striking true is the idea that my own mum is very much focussed on my well-being. Throughout pregnancy and I anticipate post birth she is making sure I am okay mental and physical well-being she’s been offering advice on how to take care of my body postpartum and I know if she came round she would make sure I was comfy/doing okay while I take care of my new child. In contrast while MIL has been super lovely and excited I don’t think she has once asked me in 8 months how I’m getting on. I’m okay with that as like I said my own mum is a great support but it makes you understand how naturally a person will gravitate to the person offering them emotional/physical support.

Holly60 · 10/08/2021 07:41

@saraclara

The first grandchild is a massive thing. And it's equally massive and emotional for both sets of grandparents.

There are so many posts on MN about MILs, that simply don't seem to recognise this. Excited maternal GMs are welcomed and understood. Excited paternal GMs are 'overbearing'.

Yes one is closer to the mother, but jeeze, have some empathy for the equally thrilled but somewhat sidelined GM.

My MIL was wonderful, mind. I could complain about her always wanting to fill our kids up with chocolate, but that would be churlish, as she only saw them every six weeks or so. Other than that she was amazing.

As for me, I have daughters, thank goodness. MN has genuinely made me glad I don't have sons. Which is actually pretty sad.

I’m so glad you are pleased to have your DDs. The only thing I would caveat is don’t let mumsnet make you complacent about becoming a MIL. My DH and my DM really clashed and it made life really tough sometimes. I’ve also said on MN before that out of my DSIL and DDIL, DSIL is much trickier. DDIL and I share a bond that I don’t share with DSIL because we are both women and mothers. We get each other so much more easily and happily spend time together going for coffee, shopping, chatting etc. DSIL is much more formal with me, although he spends ages showing DH round his garden Grin.

Also the days of men disappearing to work and women being the only ones in the home are going - women are going to have to learn to negotiate relationships with SonsIL much more as they are so much more present and involved in child care.

If there was a dadsnet I’m sure it would be similarly full of rants about annoying MILs of men!!

Holly60 · 10/08/2021 07:53

But yes, as a (successful, dare I say) MIL
I think it’s important to remember that a woman who has just had a baby needs to do nothing but rest and bond with her baby. I was exactly the same with my own DD and DDIL when they had given birth. I arrived, admired their beautiful (beautiful beautiful) babies, made them a cuppa, did the dishwasher etc and waited until they gave me the baby.

I think we need to remember that the newborn days are for baby and mummy and we will have years ahead for granny and grandad to get involved.

It’s also important to remember that relationships change and evolve. I knew my DDIL better when she was pregnant than I did when she and my DS first got together, and I know her better now than I did when she was pregnant, and vice versa. No, I didn’t have the natural closeness I had with my DD but it comes with time and you come to love each other just as much.

Panickingpavlova · 10/08/2021 08:12

Op I don't think you will get any boundary stepping mils on this thread!
By their very nature it's more bull in a China shop its all about me, rather than calm reflective people..

dontyouworrychild · 10/08/2021 08:45

@grasstreeleaf

I can't tell you because I'm not a MIL. However, I can say how I saw my own mother reacted becoming a MIL. She was beside her self with excitement over an new grandchild but somewhat on that back foot because my SIL isn't her daughter and couldn't just push her way in without treading on toes. Although I think she did but became incredibly defensive at the same time. Thankfully things settled down but I did see tears...I was surprised because I couldn't believe she was so adamant on pushing her way in. She had been very easy going. But again she was incredibly excited at the new grandchild. I think people genuinely do find it difficult to negotiate and are unprepared for the emotions they feel.
I agree with this.

My own MIL is generally nice. We've always got on just fine. Close but not super close, not like mother and daughter but happy to spend time together. She's a normal, reasonable and quite thoughtful person!

When my eldest was born, she changed overnight and it really shocked me. She was demanding and selfish. I had a terrible time giving birth, literally baby and I were lucky to both survive it. Yet there she was demanding to visit the next day (and sulking because she couldn't as I was still in a high dependency unit not the ward and wasn't allowed any visitors except DH!). Once I moved to my room on the ward, the only person I wanted to visit was my mum and it was nothing to do with showing off the baby it was because I was really poorly and wanted my mum. Again, once my mum had visited she was on the phone to DH badgering to be allowed up on the basis that it 'wasn't fair'. My mum had helped me shower whilst DH sat with the baby and had a kip in the chair. She'd sat with me while I cried through trying to breastfeed topless in an effort to do the skin to skin thing. I looked a fright, I stank when she arrived because I'd not showered for 4 days and had only had a quick bed wash and I felt dreadful. I didn't want anyone else there not even my Dad or my siblings.

She came up a couple of days later (whilst I was still in hospital) and she was ok but barely asked how I was feeling was just all about taking photos of her and the baby. She then sulked again when I said no photos on social media please, we're not doing that at all.

Her behaviour continued - when baby was about 3 weeks old and we were home she had a huge strop because we'd arranged for her to come round for a visit and after a night of no sleep I'd managed to actually out the sleeping baby down in her moses basket and had dozed off in the sofa next to her. DH rang her and said I was exhausted and had fallen asleep so he was leaving me that way and we'd reschedule the visit. She said no, she'd just sit quietly and wait until we woke up! Er what, and watch me sleep?? I was literally in a skanky vest and pair of knickers on my sofa ConfusedDH had to really put his foot down, she had a tantrum and in the end DH spoke to his Dad and got him to have a word. I woke up to a text message about how I'd ruined her day by cancelling.

She did calm down and also I got much firmer and assertive with her. We had a huge row in the end and she came to me a few days later and apologised. She said she was just over excited and loved the baby so much. I do genuinely believe that, she's not a horrible person at all but she just got a bit blinded and acted like a total arse.

Second baby she didn't behave like that (learned her lesson maybe and knew by then I'd not tolerate it!) and she is actually the most wonderful grandmother who dotes on my children. They have a fabulous relationship and we have a normal one like we did pre children.

My own mum was fabulous when my children were born... but I also suspect she could be a pain in the bum MIL when my DB and SIL have children. She's quite forthright and bossy generally which is fine for me because I'm used to it and just tell her to pack it in with me. But I will be keeping an eye out for it with my SIL and making sure she doesn't tread on toes there!

Legoisaws8om · 10/08/2021 08:58

I have the opposite because I saw my MIL come across very overbearing to my SIL and their baby (MIL daughter) who had a baby a few months before me. I noticed her husband getting frustrated as you say picking baby up when asleep etc.

I was so worried about boundaries but as it turns out I need not be as she isn't really interested in our baby. They drive past us to go and visit the other baby and just constantly compare ours to that baby and tell us all about that baby to the point we feel the opposite and wish they made more of an effort. It really is strange the difference between how much effort and interest goes into their daughters child compared to their sons child.

I certainly hope when I become grandparents I won't treat my son/daughters children any different.

Legoisaws8om · 10/08/2021 09:06

@dontyouworrychild I am please to hear that you would step in and tell your mum what for if you could see she wasnt being appropriate with your SIL. I wish my SIL could do that at times but I'm not sure she sees it either

Palava57 · 10/08/2021 09:09

DC and DIL are expecting
alltheemptyfields is pretty much freaking me out that I won’t be able to do anything right!
My DIL is much more than a vague neighbour (& I think the thing about neighbours is distance and disinterest not respect).
I don’t have daughters so it’s inferred I scarcely get to be a grandparent. Are you generalising from your own experience?

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Flamglimglubberty · 10/08/2021 09:30

I think what PP have said about mother's focusing more on their daughters and MIL's focusing on the baby rings true in my experience.

My MIL is a lovely caring woman, but is very enthusiastic which can come across as overbearing, I just try to remind myself it's because she loves DS and it's not a slight towards me.

Throughout my pregnancy MIL was constantly buying baby outfits and accessories. She never really enquired about my health and when DS was born she was more interested in face timing DH to get a peek than to ask after me after I'd had an emergency c section. The conversation was all about how soon she'd be able to visit. I don't hold any resentment for this, she was just excited.

But compared to my own mum, throughout pregnancy she was asking after me and how I was getting on with the sickness, buying remedies and things like the bracelets to help with sickness. She asked what she could buy us that would be useful instead of clothes she thought were cute but ultimately impractical. In the end she bought our travel system. When DS was born she didn't presume she would be visiting, but I wanted her in the hospital as DH was doing my head in. She came and brought loads of useful stuff completely unprompted that I didn't have as DS was born early (pads, breast pads, tiny baby nappies, tiny size baby grows etc). She also brought me McDonalds

When the MIL only sees the DIL as a route to the baby and not a person in her own right I can absolutely see why that builds resentment

LBTM · 10/08/2021 09:30

I know some people really do overstep boundaries but it does sound like some MILs really can't win. I wonder if everyone posting about how terrible their MILs are are the same people who express extreme vitriol at anyone who admits that they are sad to only have DSs and no daughter.

ohthestruggles · 10/08/2021 09:39

I feel like my in laws only care about getting 'a shot' of my baby whereas my own family ask how I am etc, they are much more interested in my wellbeing and having a conversation with me about my DC than the inlaws. I realise this wasn't your question but I don't think the inlaws overstepping the mark have much self awareness so are unlikely to admit it on MN.

ohthestruggles · 10/08/2021 09:40

@BettyBakesBuns

When my daughter went into labour with her DC I was so stressed waiting for news, praying she would be OK (and I'm not religious) and that her labour wouldn't be too traumatic. I shed a few tears of relief when my son in law phoned to say she and the baby were fine, and I was desperate to speak to her when she was up to making a call. Her inlaws were very much focused on the baby. That's the difference.
Basically this is what I mean.