Could you be in a relationship with an anti-vaxxer?

[Anon778833]

Or someone who thinks Covid doesn't exist?

YANBU = no

YABU = yes

That research is interesting. Haven’t been through it with a fine tooth comb but the summary states:

“Generally, COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy was higher among young (ages 18-24), non-Asian people, and less educated (≤ high school diploma) adults, and those with PhDs, with a history of a positive COVID-19 test, not worried about serious illness from COVID-19 and living in regions with greater support to Donald Trump in the 2020 election”

It also found “People with a master’s degree had the least hesitancy”

Doesn’t say what subjects their PhDs were in of course, or what the actual numbers were

Nope. They tend to watch a lot of YouTube and usually believe in the David Icke shit as well. I couldn’t do it.

@Crunchymum

It really is starting to fuck me off that people are either anti vaxxers or covid deniers and nothing in-between?

Someone who doesn't feel comfortable with a brand new, mass rolled out vaccine for themselves is not the same as someone who is an ardent and vocal anti-vaxxer who has not allowed their children to have any vaccinations?

Someone who poses questions about what has happened over the past 18 months is not a Covid denier.

These labels are reductive and often mostly incorrect.

We need to be very careful of this path we are heading along. I am starting to feel very afraid and it's not Covid that I am scared of.

I totally agree with this!⬆️ The covid denier label is being used to silence anyone who questions the proportionality of the covid response and this is far scarier to me than the virus itself as it seems to me that as a society we have lost the ability/permission to question, discuss or rationalise the measures that are being taken which are having a massive effect on our lives, no risk assessment done which may have been understandable in the first 6 months or so but now 18months in and still no analysis of this and if one dares to raise it they are shut down and labelled conspiracy theorist covid deniers. This blatant repression of analysis and evaluation of covid response is a far greater threat to us than covid ever was.

Fine - providing your understanding of the facts enables you to undertake scientific analysis and evaluation using sources other than social media and anti vaccine sites.

No, I couldn’t be with a nutter who is anti-vax or who thinks the earth is flat or that the tooth fairy exists etc.

No.

It’s a bit worrying that a lot of people wouldn’t allow their partner free choice/ I’m double vaccinated and would think not getting it is a bit stupid but to end a relationship over that is ridiculous

@Lurcherloves

It’s a bit worrying that a lot of people wouldn’t allow their partner free choice/ I’m double vaccinated and would think not getting it is a bit stupid but to end a relationship over that is ridiculous

I also wouldn't be in a relationship with a Tory, or a Brexiteer, or someone who hunts animals for fun, or very religious person. Their lifestyle choices and beliefs would be so completely different to my own that we just wouldn't be happy together. I see this as exactly the same.

It’s a bit worrying that a lot of people wouldn’t allow their partner free choice

It's not about what I would or wouldn't 'allow' another person to do - if a partner didn't want a vaccine I don't think anyone could force them. It's more to do with how I feel about someone who holds those views; views which don't usually exist in isolation. If someone genuinely feels like that then it's likely we are/have become incompatible on other things.

@BrightYellowDaffodil I completely disagree a young girl at my work is a vegan and she is worried about her fertility she is young and a conspiracy theorist. She is also a first class graduate and training in a top profession. I would say she is just young, many people like this. Your response is extreme

[quote Lurcherloves]@BrightYellowDaffodil I completely disagree a young girl at my work is a vegan and she is worried about her fertility she is young and a conspiracy theorist. She is also a first class graduate and training in a top profession. I would say she is just young, many people like this. Your response is extreme[/quote]
She might be a first class graduate - that doesn't make her intelligent. The fact that she's a conspiracy theorist attests to that.

It’s a bit worrying that a lot of people wouldn’t allow their partner free choice
They can have free choice. But I also have free choice to not date someone who’s that stupid.

Point of fact for people saying these are new vaccines, they are quite simply NOT. Safety trials ended in December 2020, so don't fall for the bs about it still being tested until 2023, that is an anti vax straight up lie. Coronaviruses have also been studied since SARS and MERS appeared in the early 00s, but we didn't hear about that because those viruses never got to pandemic stage due to not being transmissible enough, so the west was insulated from that, not so in the far east. As for 'my body, my choice', that is lifted from the pro-choice argument about women having a say over their own reproductive rights. It is not simply an individual choice to get vaccinated, like having a baby is, it's about everyone in the community, not just you. I frame it like this: my community, my responsibility. So double jabbed and up for a booster if I can get one. No, I absolutely wouldn't even be friends with an anti vaxxer at this stage, never mind a covid denier, they are deluded. I've lost friends over this and would do so again without hesitation.

@Lurcherloves

Did you actually read my post? I said, and I quote, "It's more to do with how I feel about someone who holds those views; views which don't usually exist in isolation."

You've said she's a conspiracy theorist, which would fall squarely into "views not existing in isolation". Someone who is an anti-vaxxer and a conspiracy theorist is not someone I could have much respect for at the best of times, "first class graduate" or otherwise. I'm assuming her "first class" degree wasn't anything science-based, nor did her "first class" degree teach her how to think critically.

@lurcherloves And what does her being a vegan have to do with anything? Is that some sort of signifier of something?

Nope. I don't do stupid

@BrightYellowDaffodil I mean that she is socially conscious

@BrightYellowDaffodil it’s a law degree but my point was you have to give people space to be young and have their suspicions. When you think of thalidomide episode I don’t think it’s unreasonable for young people to have concerns. I had the vaccine but wouldn’t have blind faith in big Pharma

my point was you have to give people space to be young and have their suspicions

They can have their space...further away from me. Using thalidomide as an argument against a Covid vaccine is such a tired trope, and usually trotted out by people who don't know much about what it was. I suggest your friend uses her "social conscious" to work out why vaccines only work if there's a wide take-up.

I found it annoying enough that DP was delaying his vaccine as "there are people who need it more than he does"

No. I couldn't be with someone who believes some random shit off the Internet and not actual experts who have actual experience in actual vaccines. Would these people go ask Eric Clapton to mend a broken arm? Probably not. Yet they believe him about covid! The same panic about long term effects of eating bacon or smoking are actually known yet people still ignore it.
It's like trying to prove the world is a sphere. You can have all the evidence in the world to prove it and yet the flat earther is unable to see beyond their own back yard, smug in the "knowledge" that they are part of a special club. There is nothing you can say to change their mind, nothing you can do until you show them actual evidence - literally takimg them to space. Unfortunately for anti vaxxers, the evidence that may convince them is someone they know dying from covid. I dont to have my loved ones die from covid when it could have been prevented so yanbu.

No.

I can see why some people would be vaccine hesitant.

But covid deniers (just bad flu - as if flu wasn't bad enough) or those saying it was "rushed through" when the Chinese had already patterened it and supplied it to the rest of the world, all the world's virus experts working on it in tandem with an existing frame for a vaccine. It was tested on hundreds of thousands throughout the world including the UK.

However long term effects on pregnancy Im not sure if they had time to do

Depends. One of those lunatics at the rally a couple of weeks ago saying NHS staff should be hanged? Absolutely 100% not, no way. Someone who wants to wait a few more months before getting the vaccine? Yeah I’d probably be ok with that.

No - no compatibility whatsoever