Could you be in a relationship with an anti-vaxxer?

[Anon778833]

Or someone who thinks Covid doesn't exist?

YANBU = no

YABU = yes

Nope. And I certainly couldn't consider breeding with one.

No

Relationship - no.
Sex - yes.

Friendship - probably. I'd just talk about other stuff with them.

No. I am another one who highly values intelligence in a partner.

[quote FreshFreesias]@thepeopleversuswork Why do you say that anti semites are “far right”?

Generally, all the most virulent anti semites/anti Zionists are on the left.
Have you not heard of Jeremy Corbyn?

And no idea what any of this has to do with refusing the jibby jab.[/quote]
I'm no fan of Corbyn but in the scheme of antisemitism (as anyone who has studied WW2 history for more than five minutes) he wasn't the worst example.

Antisemitism has come from across the political spectrum (including the left) but the most heinous and damaging examples historically have been from the far right.

And I do associate antivaxxers with far right politics. Not all of them for sure - there are many on the traditional left. But the libertarian strand is very strong among this group of people. A lot of the people who were Trump supporters/QAnon types have chosen antivaxx as their particular hill to die on.

@LuaDipa

No if an anti-vaxxer, but vaccine hesitancy is a very different beast. I know quite a few intelligent, lovely women who have concerns about the effect of the vaccine on their fertility. It would be very easy for me, a fully jabbed but older female with two children, to sit and tell them they have nothing to worry about. I think that if there genuinely is no risk, the focus should be on getting that message out there rather than vilifying them for a genuine concern.

COVID denier - absolutely not.

It IS out there! There's a LOT of information out there to say that not only does it not affect fertility, but that it's impossible for it to affect fertility. How else do you propose the message is 'got out' ???

[quote FreshFreesias]@thepeopleversuswork Also conflating vaccine hesitancy with anti Semitism is disgusting and shameful.[/quote]
But we're not talking about "vaccine hesitancy" we're talking about being antivaxx.

To add to what I said above: I strongly support vaccinations, but I would make some distinction between someone who is vaccine hesitant because of nervousness about side effects, and someone who wants to refuse vaccines for the sake of 'freedom' and to show the government that they are not 'submitting to tyranny'. I would find it particularly difficult to be in any sort of relationship with someone who places freedom from rules above freedom from disease.

Nope

@Unfashionable

Absolutely not.

The fact that a person is an ‘anti-vaxxer’ would indicate a lack of intellectual capacity, scientific literacy & critical thinking ability which would preclude me having a relationship of equals with them.

Or, to put it more bluntly, I don’t fuck morons.

^^said in many ways, by many people, but this says it best for me.

@ddl1

To add to what I said above: I strongly support vaccinations, but I would make some distinction between someone who is vaccine hesitant because of nervousness about side effects, and someone who wants to refuse vaccines for the sake of 'freedom' and to show the government that they are not 'submitting to tyranny'. I would find it particularly difficult to be in any sort of relationship with someone who places freedom from rules above freedom from disease.

This. To @FreshFreesias point.

One thing to be hesitant for reasons associated with your perceived level of personal risk: I happen to think you're wrong but I understand your anxiety.

But people who think they are "freedom fighters" because they can "see past the censorship" by "doing their own research" (on Facebook) and "not being sheeple" are thick as pigshit. No middle ground there I'm afraid.

No and to be honest a couple of friends are on mute.

Generally, all the most virulent anti semites/anti Zionists are on the left

Hardly. Yes the tankie left is riddled with antisemitism but the far right is still the go-to place for racist hate of all forms, antisemitism included. Some of the very worst examples of had left antisemitism on social media are things reposted from neo-nazi sites.

Absolutely no way I'd be in a relationship with an antivaxxer or covid denier. Stupidity and selfishness are unattractive.

[quote Nsmum14]@Crunchymum This, exactly.

Vaccinated, unvaccinated, blindly believing, questioning. We were all the same 20 months ago, now there are these hateful divides. Like you, I am not scared of covid at all. In fact I recently caught it and it was very very mild. But everything covid has sparked off - I'm with Lionel Shriver, it is very very frightening.[/quote]

Indeed.

@godmum56

Have you had one two many sherries, love?

Anyone who has not had the vaccine and could have the vaccine is selfish.

My brother lives abroad and is an anti vaxxer. I do 12 hour shifts In an NHS hospital where I look after Covid positive patients. (Not ITU). He persuaded our 80 year old father not to have his second vaccine.

I will never forgive him.

No, of course not. Even before Covid came along, I'd have said the same thing about those unwilling to have the polio or TB vaccine, for example.

Yes, because it's their body, their choice. I'd respect that decision and continue the relationship.

If they were a covid-denier that would be a different story.

No

@InFiveMins

Yes, because it's their body, their choice. I'd respect that decision and continue the relationship.

If they were a covid-denier that would be a different story.

But what about other people's bodies and their right not to be infected by someone else who's "my body, my choice" ethos is more sacrosanct than other people?

My body = more important than your body.

I'm really tired of reading this "my body, my choice" thing. It's a charter for selfishness.

Yes

Nope. I wouldn’t date stupid people. Any conspiracy theorists nonsense is a big red line for me.

What would bother me more would be if my partner was so black and white thinking they couldn’t appreciate other people’s points of view! How could I ever trust that person to be understanding if I ever dared disagree with them. I want to be with someone who respects me and my right to make decisions about my body, that my body is mine.

@WhatdoImean

No - never.

The selfishness of a person who COULD take a vaccine but chooses not to? Sorry, not for me

I have had both vaccines. Husband doesn’t want to.. I worry for him but he isn’t selfish. It’s his body and his choice. Why should be put something in his body that he doesn’t trust, for the benefit of someone else? If the people who want it have had it, he isn’t putting others at risk just himself!