Employer asked staff not to work from abroad

[Cosmos123]

A memo came out with new wfh strategy.
Basically they have informed staff that the hybrid model will be used where staff do not need to meet with clients.
Also staff can be requested to return at short notice to the office.
Not sure that is great news for those who have relocated hundreds of miles away.
Also a brief note at the end that working permanently from abroad will not be allowed due to tax implications or summat.

Wonder who even moved abroad during the pandemic?
Anyways seems that Wfh remotely forever for those who wanted it won't be happening.

[quote igelkott2021]Legislation around taxation, GDPR, health & safety and more besides, has little to do with how much you 'value' your employee

Well clearly it does, because some employers make it work, and the same laws apply to everyone (other than a bit of sectoral regulation). For example, Ocado: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58143560[/quote]
For one whole month a year.

since I was posting specifically about my experience, in my company, in my industry, I didn't think it was necessary to discuss other experiences in other companies who are not in my industry.

No need to get your gander up. It wasn't clear from that post that you were continuing to speak specifically about your company.

Do you really think that everyone can work from home?

Feel free to point to where I said this was the case.

I don't have my gander up, I was merely responding in kind.

[quote igelkott2021]Legislation around taxation, GDPR, health & safety and more besides, has little to do with how much you 'value' your employee

Well clearly it does, because some employers make it work, and the same laws apply to everyone (other than a bit of sectoral regulation). For example, Ocado: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58143560[/quote]
You can hardly relocate to another country if you are only allowed to work overseas for a max of one month per year.
My company has introduced the same 30 day rule.

I'm in Devon (yes, my name) and I've met a few people who moved down here to wfh and are now being told by their employer that they have to be in office at short notice whenever they need them. Which completely shafts them (which I suspect is employer's aim) as having to bomb to London randomly when you have small children is a nightmare. I suspect they'll have sold up within a year. Or been sacked and be embracing the West Country's job market which is going to be rather a painful moment for them.

@Devondonkey

I'm in Devon (yes, my name) and I've met a few people who moved down here to wfh and are now being told by their employer that they have to be in office at short notice whenever they need them. Which completely shafts them (which I suspect is employer's aim) as having to bomb to London randomly when you have small children is a nightmare. I suspect they'll have sold up within a year. Or been sacked and be embracing the West Country's job market which is going to be rather a painful moment for them.

Why do you think it's the employer's aim to 'shaft' them?

They chose to move hundreds of miles away from their place of employment, didn't they? The childcare issues brought about by this choice are hardly their employer's concern.

@icedpurple No, I agree with you re moving hundreds of miles and expecting it all to be dandy. I just mean that telling people they need to come into the office when required is quite an effective way of managing the situation without confrontation. Because you can't really insist on not coming to the office, but they can then turn the screws as and when they want to.

@Devondonkey

I'm in Devon (yes, my name) and I've met a few people who moved down here to wfh and are now being told by their employer that they have to be in office at short notice whenever they need them. Which completely shafts them (which I suspect is employer's aim) as having to bomb to London randomly when you have small children is a nightmare. I suspect they'll have sold up within a year. Or been sacked and be embracing the West Country's job market which is going to be rather a painful moment for them.

My multi national employer has done the same, there was a mass exodus of people out to the countryside across its offices thinking that WFH would become the norm or that they had some special inate quality that thier job was not replacable.

In my team I know I can already recruit in their new local area for a lot cheaper than they are currently on, with just as much technical knowledge and aren't trying to dictate what days they can come into the office already.

There has been a lot of people who jumped feet first into a situation where they thought they held the cards, it is going to be washed out slowly but the restructure of WFH is not going to be as rosey as some predict it will.

My whole organisation has been WFH for 18 months now and I have never worked so hard! They have an ethos of being 'unbossed' so everyone takes responsibility for their work and just gets it done. Doesn't really matter if you start at 6am and finish early, or take a break in the middle of the day for kids and then work to midnight. However if there is an important online meeting at midday we will all be there, if you need to meet a deadline we will meet it, and take some Flexi another day when it is less pressured. It works brilliantly because everyone trusts each other and we are part of a team so don't want to let anyone else down.

However we will need to come into the office periodically from September for a mixed model, so anyone who moved away was silly and will need to move back. We are not allowed to work from abroad either, and if someone has London weighting they will be expected to be in the office 2 or 3 days per week going forward. But that will work fine too. Just mark in your diary the days you are wfh and those you are in the office. If there is a team meeting that's your office day and you rearrange personal affairs. All our phones divert to mobiles or VOIP anyway so no problem. Its all to do with trust. If you have good managers and good relationships, with people who are kept keen and motivated there is no problem. But I work in healthcare and everyone is pretty motivated to do a good job.