To ask why you haven't/won't have the covid vaccine?

[shuz1980]

Is it because your an anti vaxxer? Concerned about long term side effects?

i haven’t yet had the vaccine as i have an autoimmune disease ( thyroid). the nhs/medicine have openly admitted they do not know what causes autoimmune so i’m cautious of having a vaccine with no studies or evidence into the side effects on autoimmune diseases. i’m leaning towards getting it, but worried. most of my family have had it
i work from home and don’t really socialise but i’m mindful i do go out of the house so i’m not oblivious to the fact i will be at risk and at risk of spreading
it’s weighing on my mind. however as i’ve said above ive had concerning experiences with doctors both private & nhs, in relation to my condition and the lack of science around treatment, so i feel i’m stepping onto the unknown by taking a vaccine.
i’m also mindful i may be at risk if i catch covid due to being auto immune so….

I wasn't going to get the vaccine. My reasons were that we didn't know enough about it and I was worried about long term health implications and number 2 was I have a bit of health anxiety. When the stories about the AZ clots came out I was so so worried and positive I wasn't getting it, and had that been the only option I wouldn't have taken it. I couldn't rationalise in my head that I'd more than likely be fine, I just was positive that I would get a blood clot and die.

When they announced they were offering an alternative for younger people I started to soften a little. However, still wasn't keen and thought I'd wait a few years to see how it effects others.

One day my friend said she was going to a drop in centre the next day to get hers done and I just thought fuck it, you're being ridiculous and have been fine with all other injections, why would this be different? So I went along with her and got Pfizer. Sounds stupid but I was so nervous and so proud of myself once it was done, as were my family. Got my second one last week and it all went smoothly. I am glad now I've had it, relieved I pushed myself to do it. Not only for myself but to help protect others also.

But like others on this thread, I don't judge people that don't want it. It's personal choice and up to them.

@XenoBitch

OK, seeing as the only reply that has been picked apart had other people zero on one of several reasons that person gave (Xenia did not say queues were the only reason)... I'll bite.

I haven't had the vaccine because I have severe needle and medical phobia. I am not after advice on it. Just answering the question.

I have a severe needle phobia too. I have had root canal surgery without any injections.

I have had both jabs and did not react well in the 15 minutes after either of them - I don't want to give details. However as responsible person who cares about my family, colleagues and wider society I did what every else is also doing and got vaccinated.

I personally don't think your excuse is valid.

I’m not an anti vaxxer and was very excited when the vaccine began rollout. I thought this makes those who are higher risk more safe and we can move on. At this point I didn’t think we would be in a position where we are almost being forced to have the jab irrespective of our individual risk: benefit.

The science behind the quick vaccine is great but you cannot know the long term impacts until it is a long term vaccine so I choose not to take that risk. I don’t believe the risk of passing it on is greater with unvaccinated - everyone I know with covid lately is jabbed whilst the un-jabbed are not getting it. Possibly because many of this un-jabbed already had covid in the last 12-18 months?

I am not a crazy, anti-vax, conspiracy theorist but I do question why the goal posts keep moving and why this is becoming so close to compulsory to be a member of society.

@DinkyDiggies I've also had some wine 😂 But I also fully agree with you.

I'm not an anti vaxxer at all. I and both my kids have had all the other normal vaccines. However, I am a stubborn bitch and I don't like this huge push to have the vaccine at all costs, especially considering it has been rushed through and not fully tested etc etc.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I don't believe it's intended to inject us with microchips or whatever. I do believe I have an immune system that is healthy and fully functioning and I rarely get ill with anything. I don't have the flu vaccine for the same reason, because I don't need it and I feel the same about Covid. I would have it if I absolutely had to but I deeply object to anything being deemed 'voluntary' but then restricting your life if you don't have it. That, to me, is not truly voluntary and it's a slippery slope.

@Jonnywishbone sounds like your phobia is more manageable than mine. I have denied life saving treatment in the past. Recently, I was held down by police officers to have a pulse oximeter put on my finger and my BP taken.
I am not someone is phobic at the level they chuckle nervously and say "oh, I don't like needles", neither am I someone who faints (I wish I would! The only time anyone can approach me for intervention is when I am inconcisous).
If someone comes at me with a needle, I am combative, and if I can't get away, I either harm myself or lash out at the HCPs near me. I can't help it at all. So please go away with your "I personally don't think your excuse is valid"

Not even an improved tolerance to alcohol.

🤣 Although that could be a negative, it would be more expensive to get drunk. 🤣

I was hoping you’d say you can now time travel so you could tell us when all this shit is over. 🤣

So please go away with your "I personally don't think your excuse is valid"

Well said. Some people are just fucking rude with no empathy for others.

@SupermanWithTheGreyHair

Not even an improved tolerance to alcohol.

🤣 Although that could be a negative, it would be more expensive to get drunk. 🤣

I was hoping you’d say you can now time travel so you could tell us when all this shit is over. 🤣

All this talk of 5G from the tin foil hat brigade, and not one report from anyone getting better internet after having the vaccine. I am disappointed! 🤣

@SupermanWithTheGreyHair

So please go away with your "I personally don't think your excuse is valid"

Well said. Some people are just fucking rude with no empathy for others.

Exactly why I thought a thread like this would not be helpful for anyone. Thankfully, it is has been mostly ok so far.

That's because it's my body and I don't want it.

Clicked on this thread because DS19 has his reasons for refusing the vaccine, alhough I'd rather he just had the jab, I appreciate and can't really argue with his 'rationale', not least because of my 'Mum' role and he's at that stage where I'm the 'resented one' and he's not quite ready to be truly independent.

I expected the usual defensive bunfight but was heartened to read roonthebend's post. P'raps all DS needs is to hear first-hand experiences from people like roon.

[quote XenoBitch]@Jonnywishbone sounds like your phobia is more manageable than mine. I have denied life saving treatment in the past. Recently, I was held down by police officers to have a pulse oximeter put on my finger and my BP taken.
I am not someone is phobic at the level they chuckle nervously and say "oh, I don't like needles", neither am I someone who faints (I wish I would! The only time anyone can approach me for intervention is when I am inconcisous).
If someone comes at me with a needle, I am combative, and if I can't get away, I either harm myself or lash out at the HCPs near me. I can't help it at all. So please go away with your "I personally don't think your excuse is valid"[/quote]
You could have therapy for that... you should if you refuse treatment

Another thread on this????

[quote troobleflooble]@DinkyDiggies I've also had some wine 😂 But I also fully agree with you.

I'm not an anti vaxxer at all. I and both my kids have had all the other normal vaccines. However, I am a stubborn bitch and I don't like this huge push to have the vaccine at all costs, especially considering it has been rushed through and not fully tested etc etc.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I don't believe it's intended to inject us with microchips or whatever. I do believe I have an immune system that is healthy and fully functioning and I rarely get ill with anything. I don't have the flu vaccine for the same reason, because I don't need it and I feel the same about Covid. I would have it if I absolutely had to but I deeply object to anything being deemed 'voluntary' but then restricting your life if you don't have it. That, to me, is not truly voluntary and it's a slippery slope. [/quote]
So so so selfish! It won't affect you badly but you will spread it to someone who may die!

@Snugglybuggly like I said on a previous comment, I was not after advice on it. I am on a waiting list for therapy for a different issue. You can't have more than one lot of therapy going at once.

@DinkyDiggies

Ok, I’ve had a glass of wine, so I’ll give it a bite too. I think this is really nuanced and many people will have different reasons; but I don’t like the push, the mandates, the shaming for anyone who says they don’t want it. I’m an awkward old cuss, the coercion around this is almost enough to not take it all. My main reason is around 50 per cent of people I know have had really bad side effects from it, 24-36 hours of feeling totally wiped out. For many people this is all that covid is, so I’ll take a 1:300 plus chance of catching it and being ill for a few days, against a 50/50 of being ill for a few days. Plus no one knows the long term effects, not even the scientists. Call me ‘the control group’ And, before anyone parps up with oh you might die, you might be really sick the covid calculator estimates about 1:5000 of me being hospitalised, and about 1:83,000 of dying. www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/how-to-find-out-your-risk-when-it-comes-to-coronavirus To put that in context, I’m about 3 times more likely to kill myself than die of covid. Also, the folks who are going to say ‘this isn’t just about you’, please don’t bother. This is about me. My body my choice.. my health mine, and I’m old enough and difficult enough to absolutely not ‘take one for team’. Selfish? No, I wasn’t the one who was doing gain of function tests in Wuhan because they’d been made illegal in my country . You want selfish... Point your fingers at the proper culprits.

Side effects are nothing compared to the real thing

Aww thank you @TheHateIsNotGood

snugglybunny: The real thing is asymptomatic in lots. Where as, some side effects of the vaccine may have a higher chance in < 30 years old.

Side effects are nothing compared to the real thing

A lot of people test positive for Covid with no symptoms. And a lot of people have the vaccine and are still bed bound weeks later, or have other nasty effects from it. Look up Lisa Shaw.

Catching Covid is a lottery, but so is getting the vaccine. It is understandable that anyone is nervous about either of them.

@XenoBitch

Side effects are nothing compared to the real thing

A lot of people test positive for Covid with no symptoms. And a lot of people have the vaccine and are still bed bound weeks later, or have other nasty effects from it. Look up Lisa Shaw.

Catching Covid is a lottery, but so is getting the vaccine. It is understandable that anyone is nervous about either of them.

0.0016% have had a blood clot from the vaccine. You are up to 10 times more likely to get a blood clot from having Covid. Stop using poor Lisa Shaw's name and blood clots at all as a way to excuse not having the vaccine. It's ridiculous.

www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005

I have really bad anxiety and don’t want AZ as scared of blood clots, would consider Pfizer but not an option as in my 40’s.

@JesusIsAnyNameFree - I never used Lisa Shaw's death as a reason to no have the vaccine. RTFT.

I've had it. I won't have a booster unless something changes dramatically before then. The side effects were much lengthier than I was told to expect, and would have cost me a week or more of work if I'd been working at that time. I don't think doing that over and over again is compatible with keeping my job, nor do I think it's a reasonable expectation for a disease that's very low risk for my age group. My job is such that no one will ever need to get within two meters of me if they don't want to, and I feel like at this point, it's fair to put the onus on them to avoid me rather than on me to make the world marginally safer for them.

So so so selfish! It won't affect you badly but you will spread it to someone who may die!

I will never be within spreading distance of anyone who didn't affirmatively choose to get within spreading distance of me. Anyone who believes I owe it to them to sacrifice my own health so that they can feel better about eating at restaurants is so revoltingly selfish and entitled that I don't think there's even a word for it. At least, not any that I'm going to use here.