To ask why you haven't/won't have the covid vaccine?

[shuz1980]

Is it because your an anti vaxxer? Concerned about long term side effects?

"Obesity costs the NHS £4.2 billion a year and without urgent and radical action, this will rise to £10 billion a year by 2050" www.rsph.org.uk/our-work/policy/obesity/childhood-obesity.html

I suspect the very few of us who have chosen not to have the vaccine will not cost the NHS £4.2bn a year.

Thankfully the NHS doesn’t discriminate regardless of causes anyway.

couldn't agree more. Like the RNLI 👍🏻

And not "turning " on anybody. @SupermanWithTheGreyHair Forget the drama. 😁

Just interested and trying to analyse my own feelings.

@Xenia

I suspect the very few of us who have chosen not to have the vaccine will not cost the NHS £4.2bn a year.

But only because everybody else DID choose to have the vaccine.

If everybody else didn't it would cost a lot lot more.

The number of people in the thread claiming their their immune system is capable of dealing with Covid is concerning. You're deluded. You simply don't know how your body would deal with it. Your complacency may be the end of you.

And not "turning " on anybody.@SupermanWithTheGreyHair Forget the drama.

Sorry, I wasn’t meaning you in particular. I just meant it’s what the government and media do and many people lap it up. It’s a very useful way of keeping people in check.

If everybody else didn't it would cost a lot lot more.

Like so many people ignoring health advice and being overweight or obese. If they all followed the advice they would cost a lot less.... but we all just accept the cost. Why is it any different?
The government made sugar tax...but that’s just pissing in the wind. The government isn’t properly addressing the obesity crisis.

Obesity isn't contagious. You're not going to kill a vulnerable people by being obese next to them are you?

I've had it. I had the AZ before they decided not to give it to the under 40s. Yes I felt a bit rough for a day or two but I cod cope with that as it was better than the thought of catching covid, becoming seriously ill and potentially leaving my two young children without their mummy my husband is also immunosupressed. Free will is a wonderful thing so if people don't want it then that's fine, it's up to them to decide.

@SupermanWithTheGreyHair I may be way out on a limb here, but perhaps individuals should take more responsibility for their own health and well-being?

Individual choice for vaccination is wanted & expected - yet you want the Gvmnt to control the obesity crisis? (which is complex and multi-factorial, but does start with ingesting too many calories, as diseases of smoking generally have a root cause)

Obesity isn't contagious. You're not going to kill a vulnerable people by being obese next to them are you?

We’re talking about it having an impact on others, which it does.

Individual choice for vaccination is wanted & expected - yet you want the Gvmnt to control the obesity crisis? (which is complex and multi-factorial, but does start with ingesting too many calories, as diseases of smoking generally have a root cause)

Personally, I don’t really care. People can live however they like and the NHS will treat them, that’s where we are and how I believe it should be. People’s reasons for not following health advice, whether it’s eating junk food, not exercising or not having vaccines, will often be complex and varied.

I could be really pissed off that people don’t look after their health, therefore meaning I wait longer to be seen for an appointment or potentially pay more tax.... but I’m not, because I accept that we all lead our lives however we want to.

@SupermanWithTheGreyHair You said 'the Gvmnt isn’t properly addressing the obesity crisis’ - suggesting you think the state should be doing just that?

The NHS is under enormous strain precisely because of diseases that could be attributed to ‘lifestyle’ choices - is that not an issue? Has it not gone too far?

I’m a ‘with personal freedoms come personal responsibilities’ sort.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

Waiting until I’m finished breastfeeding

I'm the complete opposite. I've been breastfeeding my almost two year old extra post-Pfyzer in the hope of passing on some vaccine-induced antibodies.

You said 'the Gvmnt isn’t properly addressing the obesity crisis’ - suggesting you think the state should be doing just that?

But they’re not addressing it. They can’t just pick and choose what’s important to different people and expect everyone to get on board. They leave everyone to eat crap, no issue with having 10 takeaway shops on one street, do nothing to stop that happening, yet think they can then expect everyone to comply with a vaccine. The obesity crisis has been a threat they’ve pretty much ignored for years. Like they ignore climate change.

They either deal with the all of the issues that are a real threat to people or they have to accept that people won’t be on board with everything they say. They can’t expect to and able to do it when it suits and people just do what they say.

I’m a ‘with personal freedoms come personal responsibilities’ sort.

I agree with this. People are free to live as they choose. Eat healthy or not. Take vaccines or not. The NHS does and always should treat everyone. A society is made up of all sorts of people with varying views, we all matter.

@SupermanWithTheGreyHair The NHS can’t conceivably treat everyone for all things in anywhere near an effective way, and be responsible for supporting healthy lifestyles as well, though, can it? It’s very far from an infinite resource.

Views and freedoms are one thing, but responsibility for ourselves and others is important, otherwise it’s just entitlement.

If you are tying this all back to the thread subject, that’s a specific thing and I would not advocate anyone being excluded form treatment due to vaccine status - that would be an extreme view, held by a minority.

I am hoping that at least people would look into the actual underlying data and information coming from the scientists and health professionals, so their decision is as informed for their own safety and well-being as possible.

DoubleTweenQueen

But the government and media are very good at whipping everyone up to cause divide over the vaccinated and unvaccinated. They don’t do the same with other things. If the government did more to support healthy lifestyles, the NHS would have more time and resources. When we have 30 year olds with type 2 diabetes, it’s very sad to see.
Of course people should take responsibility, but reasons for overeating are often tied to mental well-being so I believe the government and NHS do have a part to play. Some people need that help.

I’ve read quite a few people on here saying they’d like to see unvaccinated people be denied treatment. Imagine if I said, as a healthy vegan, that I’d like to see anyone that’s obese or suffering with heart disease due to their red meat consumption, be denied treatment...all hell would break loose.

People have their reasons for not having the vaccine, the same as others have for continuing to eat crap. They know the risks....they also know they’ll be treated if they need their life saving. That’s as it should be.

We’re talking about it having an impact on others, which it does.

Obesity means a few more pence required by the NHS from each of us.

Covid means the possibility of passing on a virus that could potentially leave children without a parent. It's hardly comparable.

Obesity means a few more pence required by the NHS from each of us.

It’s billions per year though that could be spent on other things. It also causes knock in effects to businesses, days of work lost, economy.
And it increases hospital waiting times for everyone which can cause health impacts on others waiting.

The point is, other decisions people make have an effect on others, we’re just not all being made to turn against people for those things.

People make the choices they want to. As a society, we have to accept people’s different views and decisions,

Obesity isn’t as straightforward as eating less and moving more. It’s not just being a little overweight. It is often linked to poverty and metal health problems which are incredibly complicated and difficult to treat and resolve. Significant investment is needed in this area of the NHS to see long term improvements.
It’s totally different from a visit to a vaccine centre for a free life saving vaccination.

It’s totally different from a visit to a vaccine centre for a free life saving vaccination.

You only have to read on mumsnet to see that people’s reasons for not having the vaccine are also complicated. Mental health issues, needle phobia, concerns about fertility, concerns about the vaccine in pregnancy etc. I’m not having it due to animal welfare issues with the vaccine. The reasons are varied and not as simple as just visiting a vaccine centre. I know a fair few people who are not going to be vaccinated, none are conspiracy theorists. I also know many people who have had the vaccine. Most people I know, I don’t have a clue of their vaccine status.

I’m not having it due to animal welfare issues with the vaccine.

Presumably you don’t take any other medicines or other vaccines?

Presumably you don’t take any other medicines or other vaccines?

Not since I’ve been a vegan, no, so quite a few years now. If they make a vaccine without animal testing, I’d happily have it. Vaccines work and I’d like to be able to have it.

90% of testing that works in animals doesn’t work in humans anyway, there’s currently a petition to parliament about this, so hopefully medications will be an option in the future.

@SupermanWithTheGreyHair I respect you coming to that decision, although all the vegans I know (including me) have chosen to have the vaccine. I’m also hoping for more ethical ways of developing drugs in the future but now it’s more important to me to not put vulnerable family members at risk.

I respect you coming to that decision, although all the vegans I know (including me) have chosen to have the vaccine. I’m also hoping for more ethical ways of developing drugs in the future but now it’s more important to me to not put vulnerable family members at risk.

I know some vegans who have had it, most I know haven’t though. Theres no right or wrong, you just have to do what you’re comfortable with and what’s right for your circumstances.

Have you signed the petition on this? If not I’ve put it in the petitions section a while ago. It needs 100000 signatures, I think it’s up to about 65000. Hopefully more ethical ways of developing drugs will be used in the future. 🤞