To ask why you haven't/won't have the covid vaccine?

[shuz1980]

Is it because your an anti vaxxer? Concerned about long term side effects?

Yes, and shared it on my Facebook. Hopefully it’ll get to 100,000 soon.

Let’s hope so. 🤞

Nope . I wish I actually thought our government was "very clever". Imagine them being able to sort out something like that.

There is a general feeling that the government (particularly Boris) is incompetent. They've managed to sort out sizeable contracts worth billions to their friends, families and donors. Boris has done a sterling job of playing the bumbling buffoon. And still people buy it because he has messy hair

Animal studies are a requirement in drug development. It's a very unpleasant fact.

Pharma have, for at least the last 30yrs, been actively seeking to replace animal models with in vitro set-ups. Scientists are awarded prizes for coming up with new innovations to replace animal models and any animal work is heavily licenced and regulated

Animal models are a stepping stone from work using cell culture to human - the final step to monitor safety, toxicity, efficacy in a whole system before first time in man clinical studies.
How would you cover those tests otherwise, if animal models were scrapped completely? Go straight into willing volunteers? That's a huge ethical minefield.

I've seen the petition and would support it, but I'm aware that reducing animal testing and devising innovative ways to replace it has been happening with some success for a long time.
It's still a regulatory requirement though, and it's an extremely complex field - disease target and drug class dependent.

I've known scientists who work with animals and they are very mindful and respectful of what they do, which they do in the most limited and thoughtful way possible.

I don't know anyone who wouldn't be keen to scrap it completely, but it has to be replaced with something that fulfils the same task - it is happening in places, but a whole system model is a bit like the holy grail.

Sign the petition by all means, but it's not going to affect anything that's not already happening, and a complete ban is impossible at the current time.

@DinkyDiggies

Ok, I’ve had a glass of wine, so I’ll give it a bite too. I think this is really nuanced and many people will have different reasons; but I don’t like the push, the mandates, the shaming for anyone who says they don’t want it. I’m an awkward old cuss, the coercion around this is almost enough to not take it all. My main reason is around 50 per cent of people I know have had really bad side effects from it, 24-36 hours of feeling totally wiped out. For many people this is all that covid is, so I’ll take a 1:300 plus chance of catching it and being ill for a few days, against a 50/50 of being ill for a few days. Plus no one knows the long term effects, not even the scientists. Call me ‘the control group’ And, before anyone parps up with oh you might die, you might be really sick the covid calculator estimates about 1:5000 of me being hospitalised, and about 1:83,000 of dying. www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/how-to-find-out-your-risk-when-it-comes-to-coronavirus To put that in context, I’m about 3 times more likely to kill myself than die of covid. Also, the folks who are going to say ‘this isn’t just about you’, please don’t bother. This is about me. My body my choice.. my health mine, and I’m old enough and difficult enough to absolutely not ‘take one for team’. Selfish? No, I wasn’t the one who was doing gain of function tests in Wuhan because they’d been made illegal in my country . You want selfish... Point your fingers at the proper culprits.

Couldn't have put it better and I'm in complete agreement with you. from one awkward old cuss to another!

@Dreamstate

Erm its a personal choice, you have no riut to know why someone doesn't want to inject something into their body.

Do you go round asking smokers why they still smoke? Or why people eat junk food when its not good for their bodies?

Oh yeah its none of your business thats why!

What a ridiculous statement and comparison. It's everyone's business when there's a highly contagious virus that is killing people.

1. side effects and adverse reactions plus zero liability - not encouraging
2. i had covid already
3. the AZ jab that i was initially offered was later ruled no good for my age group
4. i don't like bullies
5. i don't trust in "science" which also pushes gender ideology in the same praragraph (look up official info on Twitter)
6. i still won't get to go on my cruise holiday
7. i'm that selfish and i don't care about your legendary grandma
8. religious reasons

that's about it.

There is a general feeling that the government (particularly Boris) is incompetent. They've managed to sort out sizeable contracts worth billions to their friends, families and donors. Boris has done a sterling job of playing the bumbling buffoon. And still people buy it because he has messy hai

Yep I do feel the government is incompetent.
Whatever the haircut.

They've managed to sort out sizeable contracts worth billions to their friends, families and donors.

I see that more as being self serving chancers rather than a having a thought out plan.

More because of the money they've wasted, the mixed and changing contradictory messages, the unclear communication, the pathetic justification of things they've done badly, the lack of direction, the lies. The blatant jobs for mates.

Nah still don't think they're anywhere near 'clever'.

I've (rather reluctantly) decided to have the vaccine because I work with young families and expectant mums and because I have elderly relatives who I visit who have decided not to have the vaccine.

But I respect and totally empathise with anyone who doesn't want to be jabbed, whatever their reason. Their body, their choice. If my circumstances were different I wouldn't have chosen to be jabbed as the long-term health effects of any of the Covid vaccines are unknown (no long-term safety data). I chose to take the AZ vaccine, despite the minor clot risk, as vector vaccines have been around longer than those based on mRNA technology (such as Pfizer and Moderna). MRNA technology (as I understand it) has never been used in human vaccines prior to this vaccine rollout - so all a bit of a mass experiment really.

... but, having said all this, I fully expect cover ups in the future re: the long term health implications of vaccines and the whole banning of "misinformation" by social media organisations smacks too much of Orwell's 1984 to me. I'm sure much of it genuinely is misinformation, but some of it probably isn't. I guess the truth will out in time.

The thread shows how various the reasons are and mine will be above and different from others. I have not even decided never to have it. I might have it in 12 months or the year after that if covid does not kill me off before then.

As veganism is I think under the Equality Act 2010 under case law treated as some kind of belief system forcing employees to have the vacdination might be unlawful on that ground.

Even now forcing those who are not vaccinated but just recovered from covid for having more expensive tests for holidays than double vaxxed seems illogical and unscientific and likely to be capable of legal challenge.