To ask why you haven't/won't have the covid vaccine?

[shuz1980]

Is it because your an anti vaxxer? Concerned about long term side effects?

I hope we bring in measures like Ireland and other places where people have to prove they are vaccinated or are exempt to eat on restaurants etc. It pisses me off to know that some people chose not have the vaccine but benefit from those that have.

@Witchcraftandhokum

I hope we bring in measures like Ireland and other places where people have to prove they are vaccinated or are exempt to eat on restaurants etc. It pisses me off to know that some people chose not have the vaccine but benefit from those that have.

Why not address the reasons why some people don't want it, rather than just bad them from places?

Witchcraftandhokum

Benefit how? How on earth do I benefit from anyone else being vaccinated? I'm unvaccinated but have had covid. You are more likely to be benefitting from all the poor sods who have suffered from covid and recovered. Why can't they eat in restaurants? Vaccination "immunity" (which doesn't stop you catching or spreading covid) wanes within a few months.
Have a read of PHE Technical Report no. 20.

We all benefit from the NHS not being overwhelmed, from schools not closing, from not having another lockdown.

@Witchcraftandhokum

We all benefit from the NHS not being overwhelmed, from schools not closing, from not having another lockdown.

And public transport not being cancelled because staff are having to self isolate, supermarket shelves not being refilled because drivers and shop workers are self isolating, supermarket deliveries with stuff missing or substitutes that no-one wants, same with restaurants, pubs and cafes being closed due to staff shortages, and hospital/dental/GP appointments being cancelled.

It affects us all.

@Witchcraftandhokum

I hope we bring in measures like Ireland and other places where people have to prove they are vaccinated or are exempt to eat on restaurants etc. It pisses me off to know that some people chose not have the vaccine but benefit from those that have.

Rather than create a 2-tier society would it not be better to distribute rapid tests and ask for proof of being Covid-negative regardless of vaccination status? Given that the shot does not prevent you from contracting Covid and we still have no way of knowing who the minority are that receive no protection at all.

Witchcraftandhokum

We all benefit from the NHS not being overwhelmed, from schools not closing, from not having another lockdown.

But being vaccinated isn’t stopping these things. 50% of cases are currently partially and fully vaccinated people. The percentage of hospitalisations and deaths per number of cases is HIGHER in the vaccinated population.
The majority of unvaccinated are already immune, and especially children.

One reason the UK has a massive vaccination rate is because we do not force people into it. I know it sounds perverse but it is so. When people have a choice they are more likely to want the vaccine. If forced into it fewer come forward.

I have had one meal at a restaurant in 2021 and no one was in our section so I don't think my foul diseased unvaccinated breath really put much risk on anyone particularly as I work from home and don't socialise.....

The % of those in hospital with Covid will be higher amongst the vaccinated as a high proportion of the adult population are now vaccinated. However those unvaccinated in hospital with Covid are, in the majority, younger and with no underlying health conditions

Parker231

The % of those in hospital with Covid will be higher amongst the vaccinated as a high proportion of the adult population are now vaccinated. However those unvaccinated in hospital with Covid are, in the majority, younger and with no underlying health conditions

I’m looking at NHS covid deaths in England in hospitals for the week up to 8th August. 85 deaths, 77 had pre existing conditions and 8 did not. 70% of deaths were in over 60s.
This table says there have been 88735 covid deaths in hospitals in total in England. 85,022 had pre existing conditions. That’s 95.8%.

I would imagine hospitalisations look similar, though I will see if I can find a table of hospitalisations broken down by age and underlying conditions.

I can only find a combined number of patients admitted with covid and already admitted patients subsequently diagnosed with covid, and no breakdown of vaccination status or underlying health issues..however if they were already inpatients when they were diagnosed we could assume they were there because they have health conditions.

*We all benefit from the NHS not being overwhelmed, from schools not closing, from not having another lockdown.

But being vaccinated isn’t stopping these things. 50% of cases are currently partially and fully vaccinated people. The percentage of hospitalisations and deaths per number of cases is HIGHER in the vaccinated population.
The majority of unvaccinated are already immune, and especially children.*

*We all benefit from the NHS not being overwhelmed, from schools not closing, from not having another lockdown.

But being vaccinated isn’t stopping these things. 50% of cases are currently partially and fully vaccinated people. The percentage of hospitalisations and deaths per number of cases is HIGHER in the vaccinated population.
The majority of unvaccinated are already immune, and especially children.*

Really 🤔 Being vaccinated isn't stopping the NHS being overwhelmed?

The majority of unvaccinated are already immune?🤔

What arse.

It pisses me off to know that some people chose not have the vaccine but benefit from those that have.

So you want to ban them purely out of spite then? Nice. There is no scientific evidence that banning unvaccinated people from public will do anything to stop the spread of a virus that fully vaccinated also catch and transmit in large numbers.

This scientist provides good up to date information. It’s American based but worth a read.

twitter.com/sailorrooscout

I would highly recommend looking up This week in Virology, set up by the extremely knowledgeable, experienced, and all-round nice guy - Vincent Racaniello. Over 30yrs a virologist. There's not much he and his guests don't know or can't explain, about the area.

Links here:
asm.org/Podcasts/TWiV
There are articles and a YouTube channel too

@iloveicelollies

Also, he mistrusts the quickest vaccine. Wholeheartedly believes that this won't be the best one we will get against covid and that it will be a learning curve. Hence why he thinks more patience was required in terms of vaccinating absolutely everyone. He does think it's done wonders for elderly and vulnerable but is now worried immunity for likes of his father and mine is waning when we are coming up to the season when it all kicks off again. He is very careful and respectful of rules and hygiene.

I assume he's not taking advantage of the relaxation of restrictions which has come about solely because other people have stepped up and had the vaccine?

One person I know just couldn’t be bothered to go and get it
Another says he’s got ‘-an immune system for a reason ‘ so no need for any vaccines at all
Another thinks bill gates is going to track her if she has it / it’s dangerous / pointless etc etc

None of these people are me. I’m fully jabbed

@OrganicAvocado

But being vaccinated isn’t stopping these things. 50% of cases are currently partially and fully vaccinated people. The percentage of hospitalisations and deaths per number of cases is HIGHER in the vaccinated population.

I wish there was a facepalm smiley on MN.

@FromEden

It pisses me off to know that some people chose not have the vaccine but benefit from those that have.

So you want to ban them purely out of spite then? Nice. There is no scientific evidence that banning unvaccinated people from public will do anything to stop the spread of a virus that fully vaccinated also catch and transmit in large numbers.

But there is! That's exactly what there is evidence of: up to 80% reduction in community transmission among the vaccinated.

Facepalm smiley needed again.

And I also agree that those who refuse vaccination shouldn't benefit from those that have. If restaurants, bars, etc., are only open because of the vaccination uptake rates, those who refuse vaccination without a valid, medical reason should be barred from entry to them.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

SofiaMichelle

And you’d ban people with natural immunity from already having had covid (of which there are many) from functioning in society too? On what basis?

People who refuse the vaccine because they don’t know what’s in it but quite clearly don’t care about their bodies in any other way make me laugh.

@MyMabel

Mainly health anxiety that stems around having reactions to anything and everything. So in my mind I’ll die from anaphylaxis if I have it.

However, I’m also 7 weeks pregnant; have read a lot about how poorly pregnant women are with COVID and the rate is rising on hospitalisation a for pregnant woman with COVID. So I’m starting to outweigh my anxiety more with the fear of harming my baby, however it was firstly advised not to get the vaccine if early pregnant or TTC. But now they’re recommending it anyway, I guess because the benefits outweigh the risks. But I’m still absolutely and utterly terrified of it.

Please don’t let that put you off. The advice for pregnant women is very strong as we are seeing a disproportionate number of them who are very sick with Covid. I work in an Emergency Department and my trust is a vaccine hub for the community. They run an anaphylaxis list for high risk individuals and we are on standby in case anyone has a reaction. Perhaps see if this is offered locally?