Can’t shake the feeling that something is weird/wrong?

[Hueylewisandtheviews]

Since the pandemic started really..it’s all seemed strange, some points I’ve convinced myself things are normal, but it’s there deep down bugging me. I just find it all so odd, the pushing of vaccines on young people for incentives, no real discussion being allowed apart from what is presented to us. Is this normal?! Or is it me that’s not 🤷🏻‍♀️Does anyone else feel like this?

Anyone who doesn't believe Covid is "that bad" is living a life of immense privilege and comfort.

[quote ZednotZee]@milkyaqua
so you tenuously mentioned David Icke, who I have previously denounced as a blasphemer and now you are attempting to insinuate that I believe in Lizard overlords?

But I'm the crazy one, right?[/quote]
What! Your logic is not very good. I have said your beliefs, as stated here, about what is currently going on (sinister drumroll) bear a startling similarity to those of David Icke.

God help those poor people in the care home, not because of your faith, which is yours, but because you place more importance on yourself than on their wellbeing, by refusing to be vaccinated, which to my mind is the antithesis of Christian faith and practice in the world.

but experiencing the divine includes the loss of ego

I mean that's absolutely not true at all. Its impossible to have a loss of ego.

@milkyaqua Baphomet always gets dragged into any mention of 'Satan'...usually by people who don't know what they are talking about unfortunately.

I have to say an atheist is a particular thing. Its a word with meaning. Someone who follows a Bible but not the church its attached to is not an atheist. Someone who walks with christ, isn't an atheist.

@ZednotZee Religion is one of my favourite things. I study religion because it helps understand other people and society more. Which is why I also believe the context, the who etc is important. I was raised entirely roman Catholic. Church every week Catholic education, pilgrimage to Lourdes to support people who need assistance, studied theology until I was 22 etc. I can understand believing in the bible but not instution.

However, you weren't an atheist. You know you weren't. People don't describe themselves as Catholic sometimes, atheist others. But the atheist to walking with Christ is a much better sounding story, than you actually is. That trope is designed to make people think there must be something in it. If you spent years, completely fulfilled by believing in no higher power, something powerful must have changed your mind. That you did such an about turn there's got to be something. But you actually didn't do an about turn.

Its like Jon Ramirez. His story of how he was raised a satanist and is now a Christian making fortunes off preaching, isn't true. He claims he was an important figure in satanism in New York and even killed people through his powers. Except sometimes it was Santeria, sometimes it was a cult version of Santeria, sometimes Satanism. But he speaks as though he fully understands satanism. Because he was part of it, but obviously doesn't if he confuses it with Santeria. He touts rubbish about how Halloween is actually a celebration if the Devil and your family will be cursed for celebrating. Attaching lies to Halloween traditions, saying they are for one thing when they aren't.

Completely ignoring the vast religious and cultural background to Halloween and its traditions in other religions. Where the actual traditions started.

But again, troubled boy from New York, becomes a Christian doesn't have the same sales patter. He can't talk from a place of (faux) authority with this story. He can't scare people with this story.

Your version if the Devil came about because powerful men, took other religious figures, changed them and touted them as the reason for our problems. Then decided that the Devil was so strong, all these religious and cultural traditions, have been taken over by him and are now for him. That people following a different path are just unaware and not as enlightened as people who walk with christ. That's extreme arrogance and ego.

@ZednotZee

*I would really like to know how you came by your beliefs and whether you are part of an organised religious denomination? If you were an atheist six months ago, what changed? I’m genuinely interested.*

Well when I say 'atheist' I was using it as shorthand for a person belonging to no religious denomination, maybe a better term would have been agnostic but the difference between now and then feels as though it is the difference between a believer and a non believer.

I was raised Catholic, with Jewish influences but as my parents divorced the Catholic side of the family took precedence over my belief system and I attended Catholic school etc.

Catholicism never sat well with me. Even as a child the discrepancies between those who preached Catholicism and the ostensible teachings of Jesus seemed uncomfortably disparate.
Nuns, as I experienced them were rather bitter and nasty specimens and priests as we know are given to rather heinous predilections
I believe that the Catholic Church became a place for paedophiles and sadists to hide in plain sight.
Furthermore I believe it was this way from its very inception.
How can a man have the right to absolve us from our sins? Even to me, as a child that seemed somewhat off. Surely that was the preserve of God?
Only he can judge me, surely?
Only he can right my wrongs, right?

So I was broadly agnostic I suppose as I couldn't reconcile the only belief system/religion that I had been predominantly exposed to with its actual teachings.

However I always intended to live my life according to the bible. And why not? Its as good a belief system as any, if you can do away with the misogynistic and bigoted aspects of it. These were religious doctrines and interpretations in any case and have very little basis in the scriptures . In short, they were man made.

When the pandemic began I started to pray. Dont ask me why, I don't know, it was as if it were a call to prayer. I would find a quiet place and I would beseech God to keep me safe, to keep my family safe, my children safe, my patients safe. To keep all of us safe.
For us to come through this unscathed.
As more time passed and I continued to pray it was as if I began to 'see through' the rhetoric of men. I began to understand the fear which was being weaponised, I think we all saw the absolute shambles the government made of the situation and I began to pray for them to make better choices.
I began to read the bible and I began to see evil where it was, I began to see the divisive rhetoric that was being employed to fragment society during a time when we needed the most cohesion.
I began to see the weaponisation of fear to turn us against one another.

I began to see the evil.

The trans issue was another big red flag for me.
What the hell are we doing to convince our children that we can change sex? To use puberty blockers, to convince women that we must accept men as women and that we could cut our breasts off and become men?

In short, what kind of a world were we heading towards?
What fresh hell was this?

I started talking to Jesus about all of this.

And I felt peace. I understood that all I had to do was see things for what they are and accept the love of Jesus and ask him to guide me. To live my life as he did. To be a light where there once was none.

As I studied the Bible and as I talked to Jesus I realised that yes, we are almost certainly in the times of tribulation.
Satan has such a grip of this world that my misgivings regarding the faith in which I was raised suddenly made sense. He has them too.
He quite literally has the Vatican.

But there is so much hope, there is always hope where there is humanity and the overwhelming majority of us are just trying to do our best given our circumstances, given our propensity to understand our situation.
And that in itself is hopeful.

Evil is in the minority and it was ever thus, it is simply that now that minority has been enabled to wield the majority of power due to the transfer of wealth.

There is a reason that it says within scripture that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

And who are the main players on the world stage?
Rich men.
Megalomaniac men.
Power hungry men.
Evil men.

To those who seek to denigrate me I'm going for gold because at this point in proceedings I'm sure I can't seem any more crazy to those people than I already do.

And trust me, I'm ok with that.

But much like lots of people who become acquainted with God...evil itself made a believer of me.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it beelzebub

This is really interesting because you basically experienced the same fear the OP did around the pandemic and this is your way of gaining agency and control. Just a different conspiracy theory.

You've got your figure to blame: 'satan', you've got someone who 'listens' to you but offers no challenge to your views (praying to jesus). You can neatly blame the Catholic church for the bad bits of religion whilst leaving your beliefs 'clean'. You've tried to mix in your modern beliefs around misogyny (funnily how your jesus doesn't get tarred with this) and the transgender issue.

(disclosure: I have also concerns over transgender medical procedures on children but I don't need a scripture or a notion of 'satan' for this)

Not too similar to any conspiracy theory. Born in fear. Needs to mutate to stay relevant.

@ZednotZee

People have been blaming musician's and artists for all kinds of 'immortality' for thousands of years. It was as ridiculous back then as it is now.

They're immortal now?

I know selling your soul can be distinctly advantageous but immortality is stretching it a bit, even for Satan, don't you think?

I mean, its not as if he's on a par with God or anything...

Sorry, I meant immorality.

It's a horrible and dangerous virus. Pandemics have happened throughout history. We are lucky that we live in a time when a vaccine could be created to protect us. Millions of people have died. Without the vaccine millions more would be dead and the virus would have mutated many many more times, possibly becoming more and more dangerous. My husband had Covid in April 2020. He was barely ill, it was like a very mild flu. Eighteen months later he has blood vessel and neurological damage and is under the care of a long Covid specialist. He has been told the damage is permanent.

@DeleteSystem32 - It’s not ridiculous at all. It’s well known that the Church of Satan actively sought to recruit musicians, actors, filmmakers - people with cultural power to influence the masses. For the most part, these people were young, naive and drug addled. ‘Black magic’ probably seemed like the next fashionable, cutting edge thing to be into.

It’s also well known that the Church of Satan had links to organised crime - money laundering, drugs, child pornography.

I agree that the world is lost. I don’t think it was Satan himself who brought it to this point however - it was humans with nefarious motives to convince the masses to ‘do as thou wilt’.

[quote EYProvider]@DeleteSystem32 - It’s not ridiculous at all. It’s well known that the Church of Satan actively sought to recruit musicians, actors, filmmakers - people with cultural power to influence the masses. For the most part, these people were young, naive and drug addled. ‘Black magic’ probably seemed like the next fashionable, cutting edge thing to be into.

It’s also well known that the Church of Satan had links to organised crime - money laundering, drugs, child pornography.

I agree that the world is lost. I don’t think it was Satan himself who brought it to this point however - it was humans with nefarious motives to convince the masses to ‘do as thou wilt’.[/quote]
When was that church of Satan founded?

[quote EYProvider]@DeleteSystem32 - It’s not ridiculous at all. It’s well known that the Church of Satan actively sought to recruit musicians, actors, filmmakers - people with cultural power to influence the masses. For the most part, these people were young, naive and drug addled. ‘Black magic’ probably seemed like the next fashionable, cutting edge thing to be into.

It’s also well known that the Church of Satan had links to organised crime - money laundering, drugs, child pornography.

I agree that the world is lost. I don’t think it was Satan himself who brought it to this point however - it was humans with nefarious motives to convince the masses to ‘do as thou wilt’.[/quote]
Do you have reference to the Church of Satan doing any of these things?

Even if it does, I'm sure if I called all Christian drug addled or immoral or whatever based on the actions of organisations like the Catholic Church or the Mormon Church or any other Christian organisation with a dark past (or present) I'd be slated. It's hypocritical to accuse people of 'sneering at Christians and then make massive insulting generalisations about other groups.

Yabvu

Frightening amount of posters who get their 'news' from YouTube and Facebook. Try sourcing your information from credible mediums, PubMed, etc.

Social Media is NOT a reliable place to learn about serious issues

It is extremely real and a huge threat to long term health— do people seriously think all the medics in the world are on some kind of ‘ruse’ ? The only thing I think is going unspoken is I have a horrible suspicion that this was very possibly testing for germ warfare that escaped and was left unsaid for months. We do similar unsavoury stuff in the UK but I don’t think would have said nothing and allowed it to spread

What is the other way out of pandemic if not vaccination?
I am not a fan of vaccines but I cannot see any other "exit" strategy.
Vaccines cannot guarantee full protection however, what is the alternative?

You’ve twisted what I said @DeleteSystem32.

The Church of Satan is a front for organised crime. Like most cults, it probably attracts a lot of vulnerable people - I have no comment to make about them.

However, it is a fact that it and its offshoots (the Process Church, etc) sought to recruit artists with cultural power to exert influence over the masses. This is well known, so it’s not even up for debate.

Who do you think is running Hollywood?

@EYProvider

You’ve twisted what I said *@DeleteSystem32*.

The Church of Satan is a front for organised crime. Like most cults, it probably attracts a lot of vulnerable people - I have no comment to make about them.

However, it is a fact that it and its offshoots (the Process Church, etc) sought to recruit artists with cultural power to exert influence over the masses. This is well known, so it’s not even up for debate.

Who do you think is running Hollywood?

Do you have any actual evidence for this? And I don't see how pointing out your hypocrisy is twisting anything. If others can't say anything negative about Christians, I don't see why you can about Satanists.

And if you can’t see the difference between ‘Obey thy Father and Mother’ and ‘Do as thou wilt’, I can’t help you.

Obviously, ‘Do as thou wilt’ is the more appealing dictum. It’s what has got us into this mess and there’s no way back now, is there? Not when we are at the point where CHILDREN can choose their gender and anyone daring to speak up against this is labelled ‘far right’.

Do as thou wilt and sod everyone else. Great, isn’t it?

@EYProvider

You’ve twisted what I said *@DeleteSystem32*.

The Church of Satan is a front for organised crime. Like most cults, it probably attracts a lot of vulnerable people - I have no comment to make about them.

However, it is a fact that it and its offshoots (the Process Church, etc) sought to recruit artists with cultural power to exert influence over the masses. This is well known, so it’s not even up for debate.

Who do you think is running Hollywood?

What church of Satan are you talking about?

@Aliceclara So sorry to hear that, still experiencing some issues myself, since March 2020, also barely ill at the time.
How is that presenting itself in him?

@EYProvider

And if you can’t see the difference between ‘Obey thy Father and Mother’ and ‘Do as thou wilt’, I can’t help you.

Obviously, ‘Do as thou wilt’ is the more appealing dictum. It’s what has got us into this mess and there’s no way back now, is there? Not when we are at the point where CHILDREN can choose their gender and anyone daring to speak up against this is labelled ‘far right’.

Do as thou wilt and sod everyone else. Great, isn’t it?

It's not either or.

So the Illuminati are basically the people behind this Satanist cult? Is that the idea?

Watch planet lockdown and the interview with Michael yeadon

😂

@Planky2020

And I'm all for the old and vulnerable having the vaccine if they want it and anyone else for that matter. But pushing a trial vaccine on young people who don't even need it is so wrong not to mention dangerous and if you go along with it soon it will be they can't go to school or join in with anything if we don't get them jabbed (i.e let them be experimented on) how long will it take everyone to see what is happening? What will it take? Your child dying? Your neighbours? We need to make a stand now and together. Vaccination or not it must be free personal choice. The variants are fear mongering and most likely driven by the vaccine (just like polio and 'wild' polio😂). If you've had covid trust you are immune do not be coerced into taking shot after shot. Watch planet lockdown and the interview with Michael yeadon. Government are getting richer and richer whilst purpousfuly shutting down small businesses. We're testing healthy people while sick people go without treatment. Nothing about this is right or makes sense.

Michael Yeadon the totally discredited conspiracy theorist who has been banned from various platforms (many of which take a lot to be banned from) for spreading dangerous lies about Covid?

www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-health-coronavirus-idUSL2N2N72CS

fullfact.org/online/yeadon-covid-vaccine/

apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9788407587

In fairness, what he comes out with is so utterly shocking that I think he might actually be suffering from some kind of mental illness. His affirmations and "truths" are no longer those of a lucid scientist with years and years of experience, but rather those of someone suffering from some kind of psychosis at best, or, rather serendipitously, Messiah complex at worst. He is a very worrying voice which at least the relevant authorities are finally succeeding in gagging. If his lies were to be believed he'd have more blood on his hands than Boris.