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Can’t shake the feeling that something is weird/wrong?

622 replies

Hueylewisandtheviews · 02/08/2021 16:07

Since the pandemic started really..it’s all seemed strange, some points I’ve convinced myself things are normal, but it’s there deep down bugging me. I just find it all so odd, the pushing of vaccines on young people for incentives, no real discussion being allowed apart from what is presented to us. Is this normal?! Or is it me that’s not 🤷🏻‍♀️Does anyone else feel like this?

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loulouljh · 03/08/2021 21:17

I agree. It is all very odd. I was reported to MN police for saying something similar the week before last and "warned". That in itself was weird (and unacceptable).

Thatsjustwhatithink · 03/08/2021 21:20

[quote EYProvider]@Thatsjustwhatithink - No, it’s a choice between ‘Obey thy Mother and Father’ or ‘Do as thou wilt’.

One of those dictums creates social cohesion; the other will eventually lead to societal collapse.

For the past 50 years, we have been urged to ‘do as thou wilt’, usually by naive, drugged up musicians struggling to make sense of their own cultural power. Turns out they were more powerful than even they thought possible.[/quote]
I'm hoping it's Bewitched who are the girl group who lead us to the end of days. Remember when they sung "I'll show you mine, if you show me yours". As soon as I heard that song I gave up all morals and led a life of upmost hedonism...in double denim.

Dogvmarmot · 03/08/2021 21:27

@Hueylewisandtheviews

Since the pandemic started really..it’s all seemed strange, some points I’ve convinced myself things are normal, but it’s there deep down bugging me. I just find it all so odd, the pushing of vaccines on young people for incentives, no real discussion being allowed apart from what is presented to us. Is this normal?! Or is it me that’s not 🤷🏻‍♀️Does anyone else feel like this?
I believe there has been non stop discussion and years of research and experience of virus outbreaks. Scientist/doctors with huge experience are responding to a new and rapidly changing situations on a global level. Discussion is allowed but I am not sure what you think you could contribute in a meanful way - do you have a degree and experience in epidemiology? I have zero interest in listening to 'opinions' from those with no relevant education or experience. I have none and would not expect anyone to listen to my opinion. When you have a stroke or cancer do you go down to the supermarket and pub to get the various opinions or do you go straight to the hospital. And really, how could this be a conspiracy - to what benefit and how would you manage to keep thousands of scientist and medics 'quiet'. I am sorry there are not enough dead people for you to be satisfied. I personally feel so grateful for the vaccine - benefitting from others huge efforts. and yes I have no interest in socialising with those who are more likely to transmit a disease.
FullMoonInsomnia · 03/08/2021 21:43

@ZednotZee

But what if I want no part of his love as I don't want to be part of his world? Does my consent not come into it? I don't want some random blokes love.

At the end of the world, when there is no physical realm I don't believe that you would not accept objective reality, that God is the divine creator if this was blindingly obvious to you.

You can disagree with me of course but I don't believe that you will. There would be no logical reason for you, as a good person to do so.

I believe that at the end of days there is good, there is evil and there is no third way.

As a good person you will go to heaven and have eternal life because you will accept your true nature and the genesis of creation.

Jesus will not be 'some random bloke' he will be showing up as your saviour.

I can understand that as a non believer its difficult to accept but that is simply human ego and we all fall foul of this from time to time but experiencing the divine includes the loss of ego.

I would really like to know how you came by your beliefs and whether you are part of an organised religious denomination? If you were an atheist six months ago, what changed? I’m genuinely interested.
foxandbee · 03/08/2021 21:46

I am reporting your post Thatsjustwhatithink Double denim? How dare you even mention such an obscenity?

FullMoonInsomnia · 03/08/2021 21:53

By the way thanks for sticking with the thread Zed,
And answering the questions so thoughtfully and calmly. Even if many disagree with you.

ZednotZee · 03/08/2021 22:24

I would really like to know how you came by your beliefs and whether you are part of an organised religious denomination?
If you were an atheist six months ago, what changed? I’m genuinely interested.

Well when I say 'atheist' I was using it as shorthand for a person belonging to no religious denomination, maybe a better term would have been agnostic but the difference between now and then feels as though it is the difference between a believer and a non believer.

I was raised Catholic, with Jewish influences but as my parents divorced the Catholic side of the family took precedence over my belief system and I attended Catholic school etc.

Catholicism never sat well with me. Even as a child the discrepancies between those who preached Catholicism and the ostensible teachings of Jesus seemed uncomfortably disparate.
Nuns, as I experienced them were rather bitter and nasty specimens and priests as we know are given to rather heinous predilections
I believe that the Catholic Church became a place for paedophiles and sadists to hide in plain sight.
Furthermore I believe it was this way from its very inception.
How can a man have the right to absolve us from our sins? Even to me, as a child that seemed somewhat off. Surely that was the preserve of God?
Only he can judge me, surely?
Only he can right my wrongs, right?

So I was broadly agnostic I suppose as I couldn't reconcile the only belief system/religion that I had been predominantly exposed to with its actual teachings.

However I always intended to live my life according to the bible. And why not? Its as good a belief system as any, if you can do away with the misogynistic and bigoted aspects of it. These were religious doctrines and interpretations in any case and have very little basis in the scriptures . In short, they were man made.

When the pandemic began I started to pray. Dont ask me why, I don't know, it was as if it were a call to prayer. I would find a quiet place and I would beseech God to keep me safe, to keep my family safe, my children safe, my patients safe. To keep all of us safe.
For us to come through this unscathed.
As more time passed and I continued to pray it was as if I began to 'see through' the rhetoric of men. I began to understand the fear which was being weaponised, I think we all saw the absolute shambles the government made of the situation and I began to pray for them to make better choices.
I began to read the bible and I began to see evil where it was, I began to see the divisive rhetoric that was being employed to fragment society during a time when we needed the most cohesion.
I began to see the weaponisation of fear to turn us against one another.

I began to see the evil.

The trans issue was another big red flag for me.
What the hell are we doing to convince our children that we can change sex? To use puberty blockers, to convince women that we must accept men as women and that we could cut our breasts off and become men?

In short, what kind of a world were we heading towards?
What fresh hell was this?

I started talking to Jesus about all of this.

And I felt peace. I understood that all I had to do was see things for what they are and accept the love of Jesus and ask him to guide me. To live my life as he did. To be a light where there once was none.

As I studied the Bible and as I talked to Jesus I realised that yes, we are almost certainly in the times of tribulation.
Satan has such a grip of this world that my misgivings regarding the faith in which I was raised suddenly made sense. He has them too.
He quite literally has the Vatican.

But there is so much hope, there is always hope where there is humanity and the overwhelming majority of us are just trying to do our best given our circumstances, given our propensity to understand our situation.
And that in itself is hopeful.

Evil is in the minority and it was ever thus, it is simply that now that minority has been enabled to wield the majority of power due to the transfer of wealth.

There is a reason that it says within scripture that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

And who are the main players on the world stage?
Rich men.
Megalomaniac men.
Power hungry men.
Evil men.

To those who seek to denigrate me I'm going for gold because at this point in proceedings I'm sure I can't seem any more crazy to those people than I already do.

And trust me, I'm ok with that.

But much like lots of people who become acquainted with God...evil itself made a believer of me.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it beelzebub Grin

FullMoonInsomnia · 03/08/2021 22:33

Wow! That makes a lot of sense to me even if others disagree. Thank you.

ZednotZee · 03/08/2021 22:35

@FullMoonInsomnia

Ah, don't mention it.

I know my views aren't fashionable and so I expected this level of disagreement.

They weren't fashionable two thousand years ago either, such is this life.

DameSlapsSlap · 03/08/2021 22:47

Good on you for standing up for your beliefs Zed, I can't agree with the alien view though. There has to be more life out there than just us. I even think the theory Jesus was an alien could be feasible.

ZednotZee · 03/08/2021 22:59

@DameSlapsSlap

You could be right.

The alien thing has flummoxed me if I'm honest, there is definitely something to the reports and obfuscation around the whole issue.
Presently I rather subscribe to the notion that they are demons or perhaps nephilim?

God knows, I suppose Smile

ZednotZee · 03/08/2021 23:01

@Mummyford

What you perceive as personal choice, I perceive as a nefarious agenda.

And I place no judgement upon those who have fallen foul of it, only those who seek to implement and perpetuate it.

foxandbee · 03/08/2021 23:09

@DameSlapsSlap

Good on you for standing up for your beliefs Zed, I can't agree with the alien view though. There has to be more life out there than just us. I even think the theory Jesus was an alien could be feasible.
@DameSlapsSlap About three decades ago I read this book where the plot is about Jesus being an alien. I loved it at the time no idea what I would think now but am tempted to reread. www.amazon.co.uk/Mission-Patrick-Tilley/dp/0751507725?tag=mumsnetforu03-21
DeleteSystem32 · 04/08/2021 00:24

@ZednotZee

You just said non believers don't agree with you because we can't accept what you say because of our ego. You cannot pretend that that isn't insulting or patronising.

Can you copy and paste where I said that because I am now finding your misrepresentation of what I am saying rather tedious.

"I can understand that as a non believer its difficult to accept but that is simply human ego and we all fall foul of this from time to time but experiencing the divine includes the loss of ego"
DeleteSystem32 · 04/08/2021 00:27

[quote EYProvider]@Thatsjustwhatithink - No, it’s a choice between ‘Obey thy Mother and Father’ or ‘Do as thou wilt’.

One of those dictums creates social cohesion; the other will eventually lead to societal collapse.

For the past 50 years, we have been urged to ‘do as thou wilt’, usually by naive, drugged up musicians struggling to make sense of their own cultural power. Turns out they were more powerful than even they thought possible.[/quote]
People have been blaming musician's and artists for all kinds of 'immortality' for thousands of years. It was as ridiculous back then as it is now.

ZednotZee · 04/08/2021 00:31

I can understand that as a non believer its difficult to accept but that is simply human ego and we all fall foul of this from time to time but experiencing the divine includes the loss of ego"

This was stated in the context of a hypothetical armageddon scenario in which a pp was questioning her choice to reject God/Jesus at a point during which the only viable alternative was to accept the antichrist in place of God.
Not in the context of you accepting my beliefs as detailed throughout this thread in spite of any/all alternatives available to you at the present time.

I very much hope this clears that up for you, but if not let me know.

I'm apparently here until the end of days in any case.

Snugglybuggly · 04/08/2021 00:35

@DameSlapsSlap

Good on you for standing up for your beliefs Zed, I can't agree with the alien view though. There has to be more life out there than just us. I even think the theory Jesus was an alien could be feasible.
MN really has gone mad!
ZednotZee · 04/08/2021 00:36

People have been blaming musician's and artists for all kinds of 'immortality' for thousands of years. It was as ridiculous back then as it is now.

They're immortal now?

I know selling your soul can be distinctly advantageous but immortality is stretching it a bit, even for Satan, don't you think?

I mean, its not as if he's on a par with God or anything...

ZednotZee · 04/08/2021 00:43

trans kid

This should honestly be an oxymoron.

Jesus fucking wept.
Real fucking tears.
Those poor kids and shame on the adults who propagate such errant delusion amongst those too younfng to comprehend the gravity of that which they are encouraged in to.

ZednotZee · 04/08/2021 00:54

MN really has gone mad!

Do you know what?

I think Seal had a point when he sang that 'we're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy'

Years ahead of its time that tune.

milkyaqua · 04/08/2021 00:55

Well when I say 'atheist' I was using it as shorthand for a person belonging to no religious denomination, maybe a better term would have been agnostic but the difference between now and then feels as though it is the difference between a believer and a non believer.

I would have thought for someone who has studied philosophy, and who was enough of a Catholic to state in December of 2020 that as a Catholic you would refuse the vaccine if it was developed using aborted foetal cell lines, then you were in fact either misrepresenting yourself for dramatic effect in stating that six months ago you were 'an atheist', or you have a very poor sense of time, or your head is a bit of a florid mess currently.

I have no problem with Biblical references, or faith, or bearing witness to one's faith, but what you have cooked up and are presenting here is a mix of current conspiracy theories and a strange religiosity, the melding of Satan with Lucifer, now bringing Baphomet into it...it jumps all over the place. To me it is just a fundamentalist Christian slant on conspiracy theories, so that I wonder who you have been listening to or reading online.

Faith is one thing; florid whole-world lizard overlord conspiracy theory, with the lizards now the sons of Satan/Lucifer/Baphomet/Beelzebub, another.

ZednotZee · 04/08/2021 01:15

@milkyaqua
I think I explained that I intended to live my life according to the bible, wholly irrespective of my issues with the Papacy.
I fundamentally do not believe in abortion or any of its products for myself as stated in previous threads.
I stand by those beliefs.
My mother, on the other hand, a devout Irish Catholic for all of her life has chosen to eschew these beliefs when the AZ vaccine posed more of a threat to her physical wellbeing than the thought of accepting a vaccine which was developed using such cell lines posed to her spiritual well being.

And you know what? I am pleased she made that choice.
I am also pleased that I did not to have to make it for myself and the discrepancy between these two seemingly opposing views is precisely because I am flawed, human, a coward and that I do not wish to take the risk of losing my mother to covid.

There is basically nobody to listen to online.
On one hand you have the blatant antisemitic and /or trumpian republican conspiracy idiots or the 'praise be to Boris and the BBC' fearful, misguided contingent.

I wish there were some middle ground but most people are too fearful to put their head above the parapet, lest they be labelled an nutjob or else too petrified to consider anything other than what the MSM regurgitate day after day, in the hope that the government truly does have their individual best interests at heart.

Neither is an appealing space for me to discuss anything much at all.

Having said all of that, you lost me at Lizard overlords.
Unless you were trying for comedic relief, in which case please do carry on. We could certainly use a laugh right now.

milkyaqua · 04/08/2021 01:31

Having said all of that, you lost me at Lizard overlords.

I mentioned David Icke earlier - you share a lot of very similar beliefs dressed in different garb.

So, you weren't an atheist, really. You've drifted and dodged around that. Either way, your beliefs and eschatological theories seem to be growing at a rapid rate, like fungi in a dark room.

ZednotZee · 04/08/2021 01:35

@milkyaqua
so you tenuously mentioned David Icke, who I have previously denounced as a blasphemer and now you are attempting to insinuate that I believe in Lizard overlords?

But I'm the crazy one, right?

Ivyscarlet86 · 04/08/2021 01:37

I did feel the same as you, but I’m choosing to trust the scientists and the medics who know more then me. I’ve just had my first jab and I’m 19.
None of my friends are having it yet though