My DH believes the vaccine will result in mass genocide

[IrisTee]

Im at my wits end. It's all he talks about.

He believes that covid has been over dramatised, masks are a waste of time and that the vaccine is going to kill millions of people over the next few years. He thinks it's a "depopulation" exercise and a way to control the masses. He said if I take the vaccine he will leave me.

He's been buying "survivalist" gear such as tents/ shovels/ emergency matches/ god knows what else. There's numerous packages arriving at the house every day. He's spent over a thousand pounds on this stuff.

Aibu to just be sick of the whole bloody thing??? I want to talk about something else, something normal but it all just comes back to this. What would you do?

@Ihavehadenoughalready

Take the vaccine and let him leave.

Two problems solved,

Best advice you have had.

Do you have kids op?

All of you saying the man is clearly mentally ill, I agree.

But then I would propose and do believe that the Qanon people and the trump-lovers are also mentally ill.

By my calculation, about a third of the US is mentally ill.

I am not kidding.

It is impossible to rationalize with these folks because they hear constantly on their "news" sites this false stuff. And it's a big snake eating it's own tale. They believe this false stuff, they hear more false stuff which feeds upon falsity and it just makes them more and more entrenched in their ridiculous "beliefs".

It's absolutely sick and disgusting what Trump, American Republicans (with few exceptions) and Fox "News" and OANN "News" tell these mentally ill people every day.

Your husband is a victim of a massive propaganda campaign. No one can tell him he's wrong. He needs help.

Usually psychosis involves beliefs that could be proven false to any other rational human being. We cannot get these type of people to see that they are delusional because there's just too many of them who cling to the same false beliefs. Their own families often do not think their loved one needs help because they share the same delusions.

My ex had an episode of paranoia which I took him to the hospital for years ago. It was scary how convinced he was of his clearly irrational thoughts. Nobody at the hospital thought maybe he was right, after all. Now I'm not so sure what the medical field would think of your husband. Some of them might agree with him. Heck, I work with people in the medical field who refuse to get the vaccine because they watch Fox News and believed Trump when he said Covid was a hoax.

Masses of people are currently having episodes of paranoid delusions and a third of my country backs them up and thinks nothing is wrong with them.

This is not just anti-vaxxers, but pro-Trumpers, who I think occupy the same area in a Venn diagram.

With the caveat that some people cannot be vaccinated for legitimate reasons.

And some pro-Trumpers might have originally been pro-Trump for a legitimate reason. I don't see a legitimate reason for anyone to think Trump is an even half-way decent human now.

But that's me.

Well first things first, just go and get vaccinated, tell him/don't tell him, doesn't matter, just don't put your own health at risk.
Is there any reason why you haven't had it already? You must have been due a while ago.

Your DH is clearly unwell, sone of the responses are awful!

Do get the vaccine, without his knowledge but then work towards getting him the help he needs.

I wish you well.

OP has posted a few lines about her partner being sucked into conspiracy forums/ ideas - and trying to be over controlling in regards to restricting OP's right to be vaccinated.

Just think how much all the posters that claim to have accurately diagnosed the partner's mental health from that could save the NHS in not needing to employ psychiatrists and other mental health professionals.
Easily enough to offset the cost of covid treatment for OP if she gets COVID as a result of heeding her partners controlling behaviour and warnings.

This sounds like paranoia (a form of Psychosis)- you DH needs to seek help from his GP!

• your DH

@ThinWomansBrain

OP has posted a few lines about her partner being sucked into conspiracy forums/ ideas - and trying to be over controlling in regards to restricting OP's right to be vaccinated.

Just think how much all the posters that claim to have accurately diagnosed the partner's mental health from that could save the NHS in not needing to employ psychiatrists and other mental health professionals.
Easily enough to offset the cost of covid treatment for OP if she gets COVID as a result of heeding her partners controlling behaviour and warnings.

No diagnosis, just advice that her DH sounds like he might need help. That’s why people are suggesting she encourage him to speak to his GP

live and let live

This is her husband. If I was even a little worried about my husbands mental health I would challenge him appropriately and try and encourage him to get help. And I would expect the same from him.

It's not so much the antivax stuff but the other stuff too, the loss of friends, spending money on survival stuff, etc conspiracy theory belief is a psychological position that can become a full on paranoid position, but technically you are allowed to be paranoid and unless there is risk of serious harm to yourself or others, you can wear a tin hat all you like 🤷

I agree it can't be diagnosed here, but I can see why the OP might be worried. Perhaps do nothing for a bit longer OP and see what happens.

You could still get the jab maybe...

The way OPs husband is thinking and the extent that he is letting it control his life and dictate his relationships clearly isn’t rational and it sounds like he’s really struggling mentally.

^I agree with this. I don’t think this is about Covid or vaccines really. The OP’s DP’s behaviour is out of character, from what she’s shared. She therefore does need to encourage him to make an appointment with his GP.

He's watched too many episodes of the walking dead

He won't make an appointment with his GP.

All OP can do is raise the alarm and keep herself and her dcs safe.

@ThinWomansBrain

OP has posted a few lines about her partner being sucked into conspiracy forums/ ideas - and trying to be over controlling in regards to restricting OP's right to be vaccinated.

Just think how much all the posters that claim to have accurately diagnosed the partner's mental health from that could save the NHS in not needing to employ psychiatrists and other mental health professionals.
Easily enough to offset the cost of covid treatment for OP if she gets COVID as a result of heeding her partners controlling behaviour and warnings.

I think he just sounds stupid, bit like most of the other conspiracy theorists. Naive, gullible, unable to think things through so can't do analysis of facts. So many adults are like this now.

I could convince this man there are monkeys on the moon building a space station for the survivors of covid to live on. Wouldn't even need evidence. He's just that gullible. Doubt he's mentally ill. People just refuse to use the word stupid for some eeason. Got to be mentally ill instead.

I just want to say, in my earlier comment I mentioned that if you want to stay with your husband, you can. But that holds true opposite: if you need to leave your husband because you’ve tried to help and he completely refuses, you are “allowed” to leave, too. Many people have said he needs help, but if he refuses to listen to you, it’s not your job to sacrifice your own mental health to try to get him to listen. You CANNOT set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm. Also, you mentioned being embarrassed as it sounds like he has complete Qanon beliefs (Trump is a hero, Biden cheated)… don’t ever feel embarrassed. This is not about you. The people who care about you, and honestly, even most complete strangers, are not going to judge you for having this happen to you. Here’s an article actually speaking to members of the Qanon Casualties board, and it might help you realize that you’re definitely not alone:
www.newsweek.com/qanon-casualties-reddit-community-1565501

Op can contact GP raise concerns for welfare & well-being ask GP to consider escalation to MHA Assessment
Take her dp to A&E for psychiatric assessment
Refer him to crisis team
She can’t compel him to engage but she can refer to gp, CMHT and crisis team

In the meantime, I would suggest that the router needs to meet with an accident so he can't access the Internet for a bit. His phone too if he can access the net with that

OP my ex doesn’t use SM either but is rabid YouTube watcher.

Positive news - he's agreed to talk to a counsellor after a long chat.

Well done, OP - that's amazing.

I would give the GP a heads up and then trick him into seeing the GP by saying something like you went to see the GP as you're starting to agree with him about the vaccine and you went to see the GP to ask their take on the vaccine. Then say that the GP told you not to share it with others as they could lose their job but they also agree that the vaccine is dangerous. Say that the GP has further evidence to share but will only speak directly to him not "sheeple" and then claim ignorance and say you're not quite sure what they're going on about but that the GP really wanted to to talk to him (There's someone on my FB who has bought into all of this and they call non believers "sheeple").

My anti-vaxxer friend has been proved right in a lot of her predictions. Eg this is not just a one off scare of a virus (as was thought at the start) but is going to run and run. That vaccines won't fix it, they'll come up with stories about the vaccine not working / new strains etc Not being able to fly etc - just control. Plus the information they 'need' on us for testing - phone numbers, nhs numbers, address, email etc etc .

She isn't as bad as the OP's husband but with a lot of stirring up online (she often offers me links online to the Truth) there must be many people who have suspicions or believe this.
But she hasn't fallen out with everyone over it. We agreed that she has her beliefs and I have mine and we just have to avoid the subject.

@IrisTee Ive been reading this with interest as there are a large number who feel/ think like your husband.

But as with any vaccine, flu, measles etc im sure there was a lot of uncertainty, still a lot of people don't vaccinate their child? Maybe it's just the whole crazy year or so we have all had to deal with. Especially if you are normally a busy person.

Im sorry it's been so rough for you, Mental
Health should be taken seriously even if the subject can appear funny to others. The person in it believes it's very real and can be frightening for all involved.

Pleased to hear you managed to get him to speak to someone, hopefully this is the first step towards getting your husband back.

Thinking of you x