To ask what you think society judges the most about others?

[AnnaBellaCruella]

Is it race, religion, status or lifestyle? In my experience it’s how one parents. What’s your experience?

@EspressoDoubleShot

You don’t have a class?no accent,no behavioural pattern,no demonstratble values. No consumer items?No house?no educational background? You’re accentless, with no discernible clues to educational attainment? You know what I don’t actually believe that you don’t have a class. Sure, you may not feel an affiliation to your background. You may feel misaligned to class group. However, the faux baffled what is”a class” it’s really disingenuous

I just don't really understand what you mean by "class"? What is it?

My parents' families lived in poverty. Some kids went to grammar school and uni. Some did not and worked in manual jobs still. I had an average upbringing then my parents split. I was abused, kicked out, lived alone from 16. Often no heating, no electricity, no food. Freezing cold, where you could see you breath in the air. I rented for 20 years but now own a house that I saved for.

While I lived in those circumstances (in the 90s, not post-war years!) I worked full time and studied full time and eventually got a degree then did a professional qualification and now earn six figures, but only because I worked 90-100 hour weeks for all those years. I've done every kind of job while O was paying rent and studying to get my qualifications: cleaning, factory work, sales, call centres, warehouses, admin, fruit picking. Oh and I'm a single mum too. How crass. I've lived all over the country. So have no particularly accent.

What class am I according to you? What's it based on: the jobs I've done, how much money I've had before, how much money I have now, how I speak? I find the whole idea bizarre and offensive, frankly, just as much as someone wanting to categorise people by a false notion like race.

I will talk to anyone no matter who they are, how they look and how they speak. That's how I was brought up and that's how I raised my children to be.

It does not matter to me how a person is dressed or where they live. It's how they behave towards me that matters, and if they can't be the same then so be it.

It's not a matter of judging someone as I am not a good judge of character. I take everyone as I find them. If I meet someone and they are less than gracious to me then they get a wide berth.

I think you know very quickly whether you are being judged by another person who places himself above you socially by the way you speak and that is piss poor. But that's life I suppose.

I walk my dog every day in a country park. It's popular and very busy. You meet all sorts of folk just walking along and people judge one another by accents and clothing and choice of dog. I have no time for this sort of tomfoolery, but it's what human beings do.

Oh do stop all the faux naïveté. Posting What’s class?who am I? It’s Tiresome and contrived
I note you mentioned “professional qualifications and earn six figures” why? If you’re classless why’s that matter? Unless you’re suggesting class ascendency

And yet when I was little we had lovely foreign holidays, I've travelled all over the globe etc. But then I've known real hunger. A PP mentioned her mother searching down the back of the sofa in 70s/80s to look for coins to buy bread and said people wouldn't believe it yet I was doing this as a teenager alone in the '90s! So you tell me, what "class" am I, according to you? The whole thing is nonsense and a horrible way of dividing people. It's totally incomprehensible to people from most other countries and people in the UK really need to get over it IMO and move on to dealing with our actual socio-economic issues that have nothing to do with these outdated prejudices.

@EspressoDoubleShot

Oh do stop all the faux naïveté. Posting What’s class?who am I? It’s Tiresome and contrived I note you mentioned “professional qualifications and earn six figures” why? If you’re classless why’s that matter? Unless you’re suggesting class ascendency

Because you were asking me to say what "class" I am from. I am saying IMO "class" is a nonsense notion from another century so I've described by circumstances in answer to your questions and said what class am I then? What's it based on?? It's pathetic, trying to divide people into groups like that. They make no sense these days.

You’re very contrived. No I won’t tell you what class you are. You figure it out
Look at your own prompts,see where that leads you
6 figure salary
Professional qualification
Your background

Is it based on upbringing, poverty in childhood, access to experiences, money, occupational status, educational level, accent, what? My point is that for many people these are not all one way and also change over time, so your categorisation of people is meaningless as well as offensive and naive.

Everything. It doesn't matter what you look like, how you parent, how much you earn, where you live, where you holiday, people will judge you for it.

Why? Because they're a snob, they're projecting their own feelings of inadequacy or ego, jealousy or boredom. Or whatever controversy is highlighted in the news.

@EspressoDoubleShot

You’re very contrived. No I won’t tell you what class you are. You figure it out Look at your own prompts,see where that leads you 6 figure salary Professional qualification Your background

Aha. Ok. So you pick the bits you want to see and ignore the rest.

All clear now.

That stuff was all done in later life. So in your opinion upbringing, abuse, poverty etc aren't relevant if you later manage to drag yourself out? So class changes when you get qualifications and more income? What does "class" actually mean then, what you end up earning and nothing to do with background at all?

This is why I don't understand it. People will use the word one way when it suits them and another way another time, so to me, it is meaningless these days as life isn't fixed into groups like that anymore.

Persist as you wish, with the assertions you don’t have a class @stripy
Interesting to note you spontaneously volunteered your 6figure salary and professional qualification. Both markers of class. But no you don’t understand class….ok if you say so

Weight
Class

I judge judgy people.

Not actual Judges.

People who consider themselves above x, y, z because blah, blah, blah.

I judge myself for being intolerant of judgy types too. Except where based in arrogance.

@EspressoDoubleShot

Persist as you wish, with the assertions you don’t have a class *@stripy* Interesting to note you spontaneously volunteered your 6figure salary and professional qualification. Both markers of class. But no you don’t understand class….ok if you say so

Which were achieved later in life after an abusive childhood following by years of grinding poverty with no heating, electricity cutting off regularly, often no food and then sometimes homelessness. Those parts you wish to ignore because due to your political take on it all you want to fit people into separate cateogories but it's not as black and white as you imagine. Lots of people's lives move between these financial situations, upwards and downwards - it's not a one way street. There but for the grace of God I go again.

So is it just about money to you then? When you say "class" what you mean is money? That's what your posts imply. Then people change class as they get more or less money?

Genuinely, I do not get what you mean by "class". To me it is meaningless as people, their attitudes, their jobs, the circumstances and their finances can change a lot over time so if there is some immutable "class" that isn't any of those things please define it.

Definitely appearance.

Almost every age group judges by appearance, whilst teenagers for example wouldn’t give a shit how you parent.

@MarcusRashford yes it's like that where I live too. Wealthy Area - small village. I Own 2 cars both bought outright. Lots of people in huge cars probably on pcp look down their nose at me, seemingly because I work. Lots of mums at the school don't appear to work.
My child dresses nice, they still look down on me.
Even down to dogs. Everyone has Cavapoo, Cockapoo type dogs that they think are making them better than you when they are a crossbreed.

I'm going to say
Teeth - people judge if you don't have nice teeth
Dogs - what breed of dog you have
Shoes - it's still a thing
Car - i never noticed until I got a much nicer expensive car now I've seen how people treat me differently

@StripyGiraffes I am woth you on that. It's also bit of a self fulfilling prophecy mixed in. "I am wc so I can't just go to uni/do x job/do y". I said it once here. If I grew up in UK my brother and I would be fucked because of this.

That was reply to the first post about class beibg like a religion

Written language skills (ie correct use of grammar etc on social media).

I think initially it’s appearance. Then other factors such as behaviour.

I judge people with right wing views. I can’t help it.

@StripyGiraffes I agree with you. The whole class concept is bullshit, we desperately need to get over it as a nation.

And you’re right, is it latter accomplishment and money that defines you or where you came from? If you’re brought up working class but earn well in a professional career have you then transcended to middle class? Would that stand if that person still has the perceived as working class accent? If they use the wrong words or have too many tattoos?

It’s not a simple categorisation as you say.

Weight and appearance.

I hesrd somewhere that you can't change class from what you were born. Hence people in very high paod professionals jobs talking about being WC?
I know someone who never forgets to mention they are WC and got to uni and got to do x and y as WC so omg because of WC. I am baffled by that tbh

@EspressoDoubleShot you’re a bit fired up over what someone else says their class is.

Anyway, i don’t think it is always clear what class people are: different tools have different results for many people.