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To kick my 18 year old out

200 replies

Amiaeful86 · 18/07/2021 16:06

So I know it’s sounds harsh but I am seriously at my wits end.
He has finished college (was 2 days a week) and has no effort in finding a full time job and even when his college told him of apprenticeships he told me he applied but lied as he didn’t bother as forgot, despite me reminding him daily. He doesn’t do anything including put his washing in the basket so his newly decorated room is a disgusting mess. We spent thousands on his room- so new bed, mattress, carpets and everything was brand new after a long talk that he would look after it which he hasn’t - carpet is ruined and so is walls and furniture. We have had a hundred talks about bucking his ideas up and at 18 he is now capable of working and looking after his stuff.
This weekend his weekend job has sacked him as once again he phoned in sick despite being out with his mates drinking and posting it on social media so he is still in bed! He lies about everything and anything and isn’t allowed a computer console after more than once stealing my bank card details to buy add ons to games online so I spend my life checking my younger two haven’t left any money or there go Henry cards lying around and that my purse is locked in my bedroom.
Whenever we talk he cry’s and plays the victim that I don’t trust him but I how can I when he will stand and lie to face and when caught out just shrugges and says I don’t know. My youngest has ASD so finds this really stressful with 18 year old forgetting keys and hammering on door or trying to climb in bedroom windows and then him shouting and being verbally aggressive to me when I pull him up on it

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Mamanyt · 18/07/2021 18:35

OK...you are being quite reasonable. I would add this caveat...Make up a list of rules. #1 should be FIND A JOB within 30 days and begin paying rent. #2 should be GET YOUR ROOM CLEAN and maintain it in a decent manner. Then go from there. Sit do wn with him, and make it very clear that if he does not have a job and begin contributing with his FIRST paycheck, he will have to vacate in 30 days. So, he has 60 days to make or break it. At the end of that time, tell him to go, with assistance from police and a formal eviction, if necessary. It sounds very harsh, but in the long run, you are doing him a favor.

BlowMeDownWithAFeather · 18/07/2021 18:35

What a familiar scenario. My stepchild was just the same. They would have been better to have a tough lesson at 18 because nothing has changed at 34 years old. We cannot believe a word they say, never worked in a regular job. Well aquatinted with police and social services. Too late now it seems.

EspressoDoubleShot · 18/07/2021 18:35

To access hostel or supporting accommodation he’ll need a care act assessment and be accepted by the accommodation. They are all impacted by covid and have waiting lists
Or care act assessment could determine he has no eligible needs and LA aren’t compelled to assist if there are no eligible needs

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 18/07/2021 18:36

@Jimjamjong

Do you have a shed/garage that you could convert into a tiny house/studio type so he has his space and not raiding your stuff but he is not on the the streets? I don't know whats' going home but perhaps if he finds another job he can settle and work out his problems.
I think, this sort of thing. If you've got thousands to spend on room redecorations and motorbikes, I'd hope you've got a couple of thousand to buy a v v modest garden room. He comes inside to do his own washing and bathe, and cook his own meals. But that's it. If he needs money for anything else, he gets a job and earns it.
Namenic · 18/07/2021 18:42

If you don’t want to make him homeless, you could find a room in a shared house and pay him the monthly rent for 6 months. Tell him very clearly that this is what you are doing. At 6 months you could reduce your payments gradually. This should give him time to get a job and get going. He will have to respect the rules of the house or he will get chucked out. He will have to get a job or sign onto benefits or he won’t have food or a place to live.

You could give him a small amount of mobile phone credit - so you can keep in contact and he can message employers.

EspressoDoubleShot · 18/07/2021 18:46

@Mamanyt, the 18yo is not a tenant, is not entitled to a notice period at all. They are classed as excluded occupier This means the 18yo has very little in the way of statutory rights, certainly not a notice period

Living at home with parents is not a tenancy agreement, there’s no rent book etc. – there is no legal requirement to give the same notice for eviction that a tenant who rents from a landlord would be entitled . A parent is not obliged to give their child notice at all.

LimitIsUp · 18/07/2021 18:50

Is he masking low mood / depression?

knittingaddict · 18/07/2021 18:52

@Antwerpen

I cannot imagine any scenario where I would ‘kick’ my child out. YABVVU
I can and the circumstance would be pretty much what the op describes. I can only imagine the toll this would take on someone's mental health. You can't empathise at all with the op?
EspressoDoubleShot · 18/07/2021 18:57

@Jimjamjong

Do you have a shed/garage that you could convert into a tiny house/studio type so he has his space and not raiding your stuff but he is not on the the streets? I don't know whats' going home but perhaps if he finds another job he can settle and work out his problems.
The conversion of a garage, or part of a garage, into habitable living space will normally require planning approval . You’ll need to contact LA. As a habituable environment it’ll need Drainage Wc Fire retardant External and internal wall Access Windows Be watertight
ahoyshipmates · 18/07/2021 19:01

First things first.

Sell his bloody bike, and get at least some of your money back.

PinkiOcelot · 18/07/2021 19:06

Yep he needs to go. What a disrespectful little shit!
How is his room now wrecked? What has he actually done to it?

goodforyouyoulookhappy · 18/07/2021 19:08

My mum kicked me out and I had to go homeless. It wasn't an easy decision for her to make and I come from a relatively well off family so had never experienced anything like homelessness before. However, she simply couldn't have me in the house anymore, I was much like your son, I stole, I partied, I couldn't hold down a job, never went to school, was disrupting my younger brothers house and becoming aggressive when I'd come in from nights out where I'd been drinking. I begged her to not throw me out and that I'd change my behaviour but she'd heard it one too many times and didn't believe me.

I was homeless for around 8 months in various hostels, however, my mum and step dad bought a flat and gave me the opportunity to rent from them, however, I was told that if I missed rent then I would be back out and they would get another tenant. I then managed to get a job and hold it down for 5 years, pay all my bills etc. I still partied but I lived alone and was still taking care of my commitments and responsibilities.

29 now, with a 7 year old girl, lovely house of my own, own car, going into my final year of uni doing social work and I truly believe that my experiences and struggles during my teen years/early 20s have helped me get to where I want to be and relate to people that don't follow the straight and narrow path. My mum throwing my out at 16 was a blessing and now when we speak about it she tells me she hardly slept the 8 months I was homeless but she would do it again if she knew I would turn out the way I have.

Sometimes we need to be cruel to be kind. You will probably be ill for a while throwing him out, and he probably won't mature or turn his life around straight away, but eventually we all grow up. We just do.

goodforyouyoulookhappy · 18/07/2021 19:09

Should add my mum kicked me out at 16

EspressoDoubleShot · 18/07/2021 19:15

At 16year old you were a child. That’s really big deal. Did the LA get involved?

Comedycook · 18/07/2021 19:17

@goodforyouyoulookhappy

Should add my mum kicked me out at 16
She won't kick him out if he behaves in a civilized, respectful way. He has a choice
housecoat1968 · 18/07/2021 19:19

I would recommend looking into some 'non-violent resistance parenting' info.
We were introduced to it by CAMHS. There are a set of stages that include sit-ins and using family members or family friends as supporters so that the young person can see that you are being supported and they need to be accountable for their actions.
It's too complex to go into here but worth a look.

whynotwhatknot · 18/07/2021 19:33

hes wrecked a room hes a lazy shite he lies and all anyone is going on about is camhs and support

hes 18 its his problem where he goes hes making famil life unbearable

goodforyouyoulookhappy · 18/07/2021 19:47

@EspressoDoubleShot 16 was considered an adult...at least when I went homeless

Mamanyt · 18/07/2021 19:48

[quote EspressoDoubleShot]@Mamanyt, the 18yo is not a tenant, is not entitled to a notice period at all. They are classed as excluded occupier This means the 18yo has very little in the way of statutory rights, certainly not a notice period

Living at home with parents is not a tenancy agreement, there’s no rent book etc. – there is no legal requirement to give the same notice for eviction that a tenant who rents from a landlord would be entitled . A parent is not obliged to give their child notice at all.[/quote]
Well, that's handy. Since the USA is made up of nearly sovereign States, our laws can vary wildly from place to place (even city to city), and in some places, even those (including adult children) who do not pay rent must be formally evicted.

Amiaeful86 · 18/07/2021 19:48

I have done course on adolescence brain and how to support so the fixing of the bike was meant to be about not being negative and supporting him to be able to travel to college and work so he can move forward - was a waste of my time. The only reason I had money for the bike was I worked bank shifts as am at uni doing a paid degree in a health care field in addition to my current qualification so I could work Monday- Friday to help my autistic child who struggled with the long shifts and night. So those weeks I studied/ worked and then worked the weekend in order to get extra money so I don’t have loads of money lying around.

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Amiaeful86 · 18/07/2021 19:51

I think I was always too soft on him as I had him at 18 and he was very very premature and I was told numerous times in my pregnancy he wouldn’t make it before coming at 28 weeks which resulted in awful postnatal depression and I struggled to bond for a long while and always wanted to make it up to him so yes I absolutely accept some responsibility for this- in my line I of work I know this can have a long term implication.
But at 18 I moved out rented my own house, worked full time and studied every evening when he went to bed to make something of us so his lack of effort in everything is so hard to understand

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jacks11 · 18/07/2021 19:57

The thing with a lot of these suggestions are that OP is doing all the legwork. Why on earth should she be doing all the investigating into his housing options, given the reason he for asking him to leave is his lying, utter lack of respect for OP and his family and home and poor attitude? How does sorting it all out and paying for it all teach him anything?

He is an adult now- he can vote, get married, join the armed forces... and be tried for breaking the law as an adult. He is a young adult, but an adult nontheless. This attitude is exactly why we have so many young adults utterly unprepared for adult life. Actions have consequences. Shielding young adults from them does them no favours in the longer run.

I think there are too many posters on here who are suggesting quite an infantilising approach. OP is to find out if he is eligible for supported living/a council house/ find a flat for him and pay for the deposit, plus possibly his rent for 6 months... do we think that he’ll start paying the rent after 6 months? Do we think he will look after the flat any better than his current room? I doubt it- not his deposit to lose, not his credit rating being messed up if op agrees to act as a guarantor. And as OP has sourced and paid for the flat, why would he not assume that OP would do it again? Or allow him to move back in, as she feels guilty re being responsible for him ending up homeless (though actually, if he did then it is almost all his own fault). She’s already shown him that she’ll cushion him almost completely from any consequences, what would be different the next time?

OP, you’ve tried discussions and he doesn’t keep to his agreements. No more being nice or negotiating. The rules are along the lines of:
1)he either gets a job or goes into education. He has to prove that he is properly and actively job hunting (not you finding the vacancies and nagging him to apply). He needs to sign-on in the meantime;
2)whether working or on benefits, he contributes a proportion of his income towards his board and lodgings;
3)he will keep his room clean and reasonably tidy;
4)he will do his share of the housework- to an acceptable standard- and do his own laundry etc;
5)he will be respectful of you and all family members- no shouting/aggression etc. He will return home at a reasonable time due to his younger siblings. If he is late, he will be quiet and considerate of those who trying to sleep;
6)he is not to eat family meals etc- he can eat with the family, but he cannot empty the fridge at lunchtime leaving nothing for anyone else. It’s not fair.
7)Any further stealing will be reported to the police- and mean it.
He agrees to these or he moves out within x time (1 month or 6 weeks or something). If he agrees but doesn’t abide by the rules then he gets x weeks notice to leave. Where he goes will be up to him to sort out. BUT you have to be able to mean it. If you don’t, there’s no point threatening something you just will not be able carry through.

If you pussyfoot around him, ask him to leave but sort it all out for him, do all the legwork and pay for it all- do you think it will change his attitude? I think the attitude will remain l, just in a different location (which you are finding).

I speak from some experience.My brother was awful, lying/ drinking/ drugs/ aggression/ stealing. We had same upbringing- only “trauma” was my dad’s serious illness, but nothing terrible and we had a good childhood, on the whole. He likes to be “the big I am”, fell in with the wrong crowd. I really do think most of it is personality, tbh. Nothing worked-they tried counselling, they paid for family therapy, negotiations/rules etc. My brother would it’s lip service to the rules or any agreements made. He made life very hard for us all. My mum acknowledges that by not addressing things effectively sooner (due to fear that he would end up on the streets/in jail etc) they made things very tough for me (and themselves) and did not help my brother turn his life around.

He stole from my grandmother- valuables which amounted to a sizeable sum- she gave him an ultimatum he knew she meant- he had to come up with a plan within the month to show her what he was going to do to sort himself out- he had to get a job (or at least show he was looking and doing so seriously) or enter education. Failure to do so would result in her reporting him to the police which, given the sums involved, would probably lead to a fairly serious charge. This seemed to give my parents the impetus to back up this ultimatum. He joined the army as a result- it did make some changes for the better. Unfortunately, it didn’t go so well after he left, but that’s another issue.

My point being that if you negotiate/gave a chat etc, without any real intent, he will know and carry on in whatever way suits him. And why shouldn’t he? You facilitate his behaviour.

EspressoDoubleShot · 18/07/2021 20:00

16 year old is a child under the 1989 children act and as such a 16yo who is homeless is entitled to support from children service. Many hostels etc are licensed for adults eg 18 and above. LA is compelled under section 20 of children act to make adequate provision for accommodating children

EspressoDoubleShot · 18/07/2021 20:05

@goodforyouyoulookhappy
16 year old is a child under the 1989 children act and as such a 16yo who is homeless is entitled to support from children service. Many hostels etc are licensed for adults eg 18 and above. LA is compelled under section 20 of children act to make adequate provision for accommodating children

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