Reporting someone for failing to isolate

[WouldYouShouldI]

Under what circumstances would you report someone for failing to isolate? Would you report any breach, no breach, or would it depend on circumstances?

I've been told by a friend that a family member of theirs (should be isolating because someone they live with has tested positive) is not isolating, and is even going out to work- and they work with vulnerable people in a medical environment!

Should I report them regardless of the possible consequences on my friend (who will be blamed if they get caught)? Or encourage my friend to do the same, again despite the consequences?

I'm torn!

No I would concentrate on my own life and not stick my beak into others.

People need to take a long hard look at what they're expecting from others under the guise of protection of the vulnerable.

It is not acceptable for people to be at risk of debt and poverty in order to meet their duty of care by isolating, therefore being unable to earn the money they need to live on.

But while this continues nothing will change because you're demanding change from the wrong people.
Demand people are paid enough to live on so they can meet their duty of care. Demand better conditions and pay for healthcare and social care staff so that people can do the job, there's enough staff and some staff isolating doesn't put patient care at risk.

While you keep demanding that people put their financial security at risk to protect the vulnerable, you're letting the people who should be addressing this situation off the hook completely.

@Sockwomble

"People who don’t isolate are pro-COVID going on forever: either deliberately or through their own stupidity. Report, it’s your duty to society to do so."

Ds isn't isolating because we don't want to be attacked constantly or watch him hurt himself all day. Feel free to come and offer us some respite.

Sorry you're going through that @Sockwomble - I wish people would consider these vulnerable people before accusing others of being 'disgusting' 'stupid' and my personal favourite 'killers'

@Iquitit

People need to take a long hard look at what they're expecting from others under the guise of protection of the vulnerable.

It is not acceptable for people to be at risk of debt and poverty in order to meet their duty of care by isolating, therefore being unable to earn the money they need to live on.

But while this continues nothing will change because you're demanding change from the wrong people.
Demand people are paid enough to live on so they can meet their duty of care. Demand better conditions and pay for healthcare and social care staff so that people can do the job, there's enough staff and some staff isolating doesn't put patient care at risk.

While you keep demanding that people put their financial security at risk to protect the vulnerable, you're letting the people who should be addressing this situation off the hook completely.

Well said!!

@Iquitit

People need to take a long hard look at what they're expecting from others under the guise of protection of the vulnerable.

It is not acceptable for people to be at risk of debt and poverty in order to meet their duty of care by isolating, therefore being unable to earn the money they need to live on.

But while this continues nothing will change because you're demanding change from the wrong people.
Demand people are paid enough to live on so they can meet their duty of care. Demand better conditions and pay for healthcare and social care staff so that people can do the job, there's enough staff and some staff isolating doesn't put patient care at risk.

While you keep demanding that people put their financial security at risk to protect the vulnerable, you're letting the people who should be addressing this situation off the hook completely.

Hear! Hear!

Sorry you're going through that @Sockwomble - I wish people would consider these vulnerable people before accusing others of being 'disgusting' 'stupid' and my personal favourite 'killers'

Only certain vulnerable people matter, it would seem.

@Iquitit

People need to take a long hard look at what they're expecting from others under the guise of protection of the vulnerable.

It is not acceptable for people to be at risk of debt and poverty in order to meet their duty of care by isolating, therefore being unable to earn the money they need to live on.

But while this continues nothing will change because you're demanding change from the wrong people.
Demand people are paid enough to live on so they can meet their duty of care. Demand better conditions and pay for healthcare and social care staff so that people can do the job, there's enough staff and some staff isolating doesn't put patient care at risk.

While you keep demanding that people put their financial security at risk to protect the vulnerable, you're letting the people who should be addressing this situation off the hook completely.

Perfectly said.

@Stompythedinosaur

Well, I'm a nurse, and if I found out any of my colleagues was coming in when they should be isolating I would absolutely report it, because my duty to protect vulnerable patients outweighs my duty not to be a "dobber" (also I am not 5 so not too worried about name calling).

Showing care to your community, and especially the vulnerable in your community, is not fascism in my book. Allowing selfish dickheads to endanger others because you are worried someone will call you a "dobber" is frankly pathetic. Nearly as pathetic as doing it in the first place.

Absolutely this!

I would be less concerned if they were walking the dog in a quiet place away from people or something similar - but going to work, especially with vulnerable people is putting others at risk.

@TheReluctantPhoenix

People still don’t realise that COVID is the most serious illness Europe and the US has dealt with for several generations.

The fact that its effects are variable does not change this. The facts are the facts.

Deliberately risking infecting vulnerable people with COVID is no different from screwing around without protection, knowing you have HIV, something people should also report.

@TheReluctantPhoenix this is a very poor choice of comparison especially as there’s no context.

Seeing as (in England anyway) the vast majority of people living with HIV are on effective treatment with an undetectable viral load and therefore zero risk to any partners, any “screwing around” they might do is not reportable as no crime has been committed.

How about making a comparison instead with another respiratory infection which can kill rather than one that can be stigmatised enough already?

You sound like a busybody. Suggest you mind your own business. I bet you arent perfect either!!

You sound like a busybody. Suggest you mind your own business. I bet you arent perfect either!!

There's a difference between the "forgot to put the bins out"/"overcooked the dinner" type of imperfect and the "willing endangered the lives of vulnerable people you are paid to care for" type of imperfect.

@TSSDNCOP

The specifics are absolutely irrelevant. It is a binary state you are positive, or you are not. If you are you pose a potential risk irrespective of severity.

@TSSDNCOP you haven’t actually read what I’ve written, have you. You think you have, but you’re wrong.

Yep. Maybe you weren't as clear as you thought.

No, you just made assumptions

No YOU said only one outcome had "societal" issues.

I said, the severity of outcome is irrelevant, it is the fact of being positive.

HTH

Only being blue-lighted to hospital has a societal impact i.e. impact on health service, bed taken up etc

I didn’t say in the other two events people should leave their houses.

And severity of outcome makes quite a difference to the person with covid.

HTH you dear.

No I wouldn't!
43 people died yesterday out of a population of over 62 million!!
How many died yesterday of cancer, heart attacks and accidents.
A whole lot bloody more than covids!!

@ButteringMyArse

Sorry you're going through that *@Sockwomble* - I wish people would consider these vulnerable people before accusing others of being 'disgusting' 'stupid' and my personal favourite 'killers'

Only certain vulnerable people matter, it would seem.

This.....

The child who cannot possibly stay at home to self isolate everyone cares about that child, they care about their mental health and their physical health of no exercise or fresh air for 10 days.
A child extremely vulnerable to covid may unknowingly come into contact with the above child and the outcomes that will lead to for them, possibly months in ICU, possibly long term organ damage that limits their life and even possibly death....but it's OK because we protected the first child from 10 days of isolation, it doesn't seem to matter about the life changing impacts on the other child the suggestions are that they should manage their own risk, stay at home shielding and cancel their childhood just so the rest of the children don't have to cancel a few weeks of theirs.

I would. If she is looking after people with impaired immune systems, it's potentially a disaster. And if she doesn't get paid so what? I don't understand how people can justify 10 days without pay versus intentionally allowing people to become seriously ill. And no, I don't think she'd lose the house or children would starve for the sake of 10 days, I'd support friends and family members in this situation, and other help is available. 10 days isn't a month.

@OhGiveUp

No I wouldn't! 43 people died yesterday out of a population of over 62 million!! How many died yesterday of cancer, heart attacks and accidents. A whole lot bloody more than covids!!

Oh well, that's alright then. "Other people are dying of other illnesses so I don't see what you're upset about. Oh shut up, vulnerable person, I need my money and if you die because of it then that's just the way it is".

Who would you report to anyway ....

"The child who cannot possibly stay at home to self isolate everyone cares about that child, they care about their mental health and their physical health of no exercise or fresh air for 10 days."

That is my child. I have been told that it doesn't matter how much my child (teenager) self injures himself or attacks us ( have people saying that ever experienced being grabbed by someone bigger than them and then been repeatedly punched, bitten and headbutted) because he might ( for the first time in 12 years) go anywhere near another child. My child who is also ecv.

So this is on the news this morning- Covid: Double-jabbed NHS staff could avoid isolation if service under pressure www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57883260

Key points are that it hasn't started yet and that it will be used in exceptional circumstances.

@housemdwaswrong

I would. If she is looking after people with impaired immune systems, it's potentially a disaster. And if she doesn't get paid so what? I don't understand how people can justify 10 days without pay versus intentionally allowing people to become seriously ill. And no, I don't think she'd lose the house or children would starve for the sake of 10 days, I'd support friends and family members in this situation, and other help is available. 10 days isn't a month.

Why are you expecting individuals that need to isolate to protect the vulnerable in their care suffer financially? Why are healthcare and social care staff financially expendable? Are we really worth so little that now we're expected to foot the bill for protecting people too?

It doesn't have to be 10 days no pay Vs risking infecting people, not if care providers and the government step up and do the right thing and pay staff who need to isolate, which they never will with attitudes like this, thinking that it's ok for this to happen. .

"No pay, so what" ?! What an absolutely disgusting attitude quite honestly,10 days without pay would mean something not getting paid for me, I'm glad you can afford to absorb that, I'm on a few pennies above minimum wage and I can't. It'd be very kind of you to do that for family or friends, unfortunately some don't have that to fall back on, and it can take months to sort out the 'extra help available' and no one wants to wait for their rent payment or council tax installment.
I can't quite believe people are expecting this of others and think it's fine and a reasonable thing to ask when there's another alternative which means people get protected and other people don't suffer as a consequence.

I love my job, I want to protect the people I work with, but it's absolutely not fair to expect me to foot the bill for that.

I swear some people won't be happy until all healthcare and social care workers are chained to their posts 24/7 and give up any life, need or want outside of that.