Reporting someone for failing to isolate

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Under what circumstances would you report someone for failing to isolate? Would you report any breach, no breach, or would it depend on circumstances?

I've been told by a friend that a family member of theirs (should be isolating because someone they live with has tested positive) is not isolating, and is even going out to work- and they work with vulnerable people in a medical environment!

Should I report them regardless of the possible consequences on my friend (who will be blamed if they get caught)? Or encourage my friend to do the same, again despite the consequences?

I'm torn!

at a someone living with a COVID positive person and going out being compared to BIL art, drink driving and domestic violence

@warmfluffytowels who is judging though? The OP sounds like she is a quandary & is uncertain.

I'm shocked that in the circumstances that OP has stated more people aren't annoyed by this. I'm sure if it was your family member they were looking after and they caught covid and died (esp. as they are vulnerable) you would be up in arms or would you go 'oh well freedom of choice and all that'

[quote jihhy]@warmfluffytowels who is judging though? The OP sounds like she is a quandary & is uncertain. [/quote]
Have you not read the thread? It's full of judgement lol.

"There should be isolation pay that employers pay and claim back from the government. IMO it should be full pay each time someone isolates."

Thing is, that's completely financially unviable and would be easy to abuse too

It's financially unviable at the moment with people constantly having to miss out on work, though.

And the current system is also being abused by people refusing to isolate as they can't afford to.

Well according to this thread and others like it, it's perfectly ok for it to not be financially viable for the individuals that need to isolate, but don't earn when they do, that's acceptable collateral damage apparently, but not for the tax payer or government or providers or society to have to have to worry about - let's just keep shouting "duty of care" and ignore the reasons why people may not self isolate - they don't matter at all.

I can see why we have staffing problems in healthcare and social care, if it's expected that duty of care extends to workers getting into debt or worse, but not as far as the government or providers meeting their duty of care by ensuring people aren't pushed into debt, or risk losing their homes because they need to self isolate to protect the vulnerable.

I can't believe some people are expecting individuals to pick up the tab for this, all in this together my arse.

@Iquitit

"There should be isolation pay that employers pay and claim back from the government. IMO it should be full pay each time someone isolates."

Thing is, that's completely financially unviable and would be easy to abuse too

It's financially unviable at the moment with people constantly having to miss out on work, though.

And the current system is also being abused by people refusing to isolate as they can't afford to.

Well according to this thread and others like it, it's perfectly ok for it to not be financially viable for the individuals that need to isolate, but don't earn when they do, that's acceptable collateral damage apparently, but not for the tax payer or government or providers or society to have to have to worry about - let's just keep shouting "duty of care" and ignore the reasons why people may not self isolate - they don't matter at all.

I can see why we have staffing problems in healthcare and social care, if it's expected that duty of care extends to workers getting into debt or worse, but not as far as the government or providers meeting their duty of care by ensuring people aren't pushed into debt, or risk losing their homes because they need to self isolate to protect the vulnerable.

I can't believe some people are expecting individuals to pick up the tab for this, all in this together my arse.

Well said.

If the government can't afford to pick up the bill, how can you expect Jane on minimum wage to do so?

@TSSDNCOP if i tested negative then i would welcome it i think, son is positive too but DH so far is negative and i am sure he would love to be out and about, logistically him going for a walk or cycle in the open air is not a big risk to anyone but he is a stickler for the rules so is isolating as per guidelines. inconvenient and boring for us all but we would hate to just ignore and pass it on. Thanks for the good wishes, fortunately so far my symptoms are mild and DS is rough but not too ill, hopefully this is as bad as it gets fingers crossed.

To those saying there should be some financial support i think if you work and cant there is a one off £500 payment.

I do find it interesting how we were led to believe the vax was our salvation from all this but even the double vaxxed are still testing positive, i guess the saving grace is that perhaps without them i would be much iller than i am.

@m0therofdragons

I’m so glad that my rl experiences are not like those I see on here! All my friends and work colleagues isolate when needed. Maybe because I work in a hospital, if a colleague came in when they should be isolating without a risk assessment that would be a disciplinary - not only are they putting patients at risk but could take out a load of staff for 10 days meaning we’d be unable to provide safe care. The number of staff currently isolating already means we’re working below required numbers on the wards. People’s desire not to “dob” someone in being greater than the risk of someone dying is mad. I mean, so long as you’re in the cool gang hey

Also an NHS clinician and 100% agree with this. For any random person, I wouldnt report. For a person working in nhs with vulnerable people, I would.

@ladybugsrock how will you feel when, in about 6 weeks time, the LFT and go approach is implemented?

Isolation in its current form cannot continue. It is unfeasible. Covid has to be lived with, because the alternative is no real life at all.

Posters are not shocked and outraged necessarily that this person is out and about. They are saying they wouldn't "report" on hearsay.

And for the record, if I had to isolate under the current advice, I would.

Under no circumstances would I report someone

@StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes wishing poor DS a speedy recovery.

I think you're correct about the vax. I've had both mine, and whilst I'm happy to have dodged the C bullet so far, I reckon to contract it now would be far less serious.

In my own social sphere, for most people in a household that tests +ve, it is still accepted that isolation for everyone is inevitable. But I think that this LFT and go approach has to be the way forward.

At the risk of this thread going into conniption I have taken that pinger App off my phone though.

Ha ha me too, i do agree the daily tests sound a good way forward, only slight concern is you can have it and still get a negative for a few days as proven by DS1 whose flying visit after the football seems to have brought it to us. He diligently did a LF twice before coming to stay for one lousy night which were neg and as soon as he got home it turned positive 🙄 he did have symptoms but cos of the test, the late nights and the extra beers thought it just that, knew i shouldnt have hugged him goodbye 😟

Have you not read the thread? It's full of judgement lol.

Are you talking about the Nazi comments? Nonetheless the OP specifically stated she was torn & unsure what was the right thing to do.

www.police.uk/tua/tell-us-about/c19/v7/tell-us-about-a-possible-breach-of-coronavirus-covid-19-measures/

Someone working with vulnerable people, wouldn’t hesitate to report.

I'd like to strap quite a few of you down and make you watch all 26 episodes of "The World at War," so you would shut the hell up about the situation the world is dealing with now with Covid and what happened in Nazi Germany and elsewhere. It is a shameful, despicable comparison.

Bleating about yourselves as if you are in a comparable position to the Jews in Nazi Germany is tone-deaf, stupid, and to my mind reinforces my observation that there are a tremendous number - more than I could ever have imagined prior to this pandemic revealing so much about 'human nature' or in many cases 'inhuman nature' - of low-intellect sociopaths and narcissists in the adult population currently, and god help the next generation who are being guided by such.

@Wingedharpy

He could be part of a trial of 15,000 people who are currently undergoing daily testing to avoid the need for 10 days isolation having been in contact with a person who has tested positive.

Has there been a campaign to encourage us all to police each other?

Living with someone positive is vastly different from a one off contact though.

I work on a medical team and would absolutely report to my boss if I knew someone was doing this. Basic duty of care.

I guess if you really really hated that person ?? Don’t know who you’d report it to, although apparently it’s really high in the police priority list , so perhaps 999?

Working with vulnerable people Covid in house, then probably would. Sending kid to school with Covid in house/ waiting for test probably too. (because that's how our school got shut down and Ds missed 30+ days of education)

I have always cared about people dying, I'm sorry if you haven't I guess?

🤣🤣 Bless you thinking that would be hurtful

Yes any time I have a flu or a cold I would absolutely stay at home, that's how I was brought up. But covid is not comparable to the flu anyway and I'm sick of the comparison being made.

But do you isolate completely when you or a family member has glu?

COVID is absolutely comparable to flu! Do you know how many people die a year because of flu? Do you know what flu does to the NHS every year? These crises we've faced due to COVID are not new

No I've never taken drugs. I don't know any drug dealers. Again, if that applies to you then I think it says more of you than anyone else.

Well o never have either, but I'm pretty sure I didn't say I was so as fun as it is to watch obtuse posters make things up, try harder

Just admit you're selfish and go

Nope

@TheReluctantPhoenix

People still don’t realise that COVID is the most serious illness Europe and the US has dealt with for several generations.

The fact that its effects are variable does not change this. The facts are the facts.

Deliberately risking infecting vulnerable people with COVID is no different from screwing around without protection, knowing you have HIV, something people should also report.

This is SO abysmally offensive to collate COVID with HIV and AIDS I don't even know where to begin.

I think if they are working/living with vulnerable people, then yes, they are a disgrace if it's true. Not sure anyone has the bandwidth to do anything about it in terms of reporting and acting upon it.
Just a shame people can't just do what's best.

Oh and if it relating to schools then yes.
The poor kids are in and out all the time, so anyone helping encourage that, would also be an issue to me.

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

I have always cared about people dying, I'm sorry if you haven't I guess?

🤣🤣 Bless you thinking that would be hurtful

Yes any time I have a flu or a cold I would absolutely stay at home, that's how I was brought up. But covid is not comparable to the flu anyway and I'm sick of the comparison being made.

But do you isolate completely when you or a family member has glu?

COVID is absolutely comparable to flu! Do you know how many people die a year because of flu? Do you know what flu does to the NHS every year? These crises we've faced due to COVID are not new

No I've never taken drugs. I don't know any drug dealers. Again, if that applies to you then I think it says more of you than anyone else.

Well o never have either, but I'm pretty sure I didn't say I was so as fun as it is to watch obtuse posters make things up, try harder

Just admit you're selfish and go

Nope

No ones trying to hurt your feelings. I just don't know what else to say to you!

I know perfectly well about the flu and the impact on the nhs thank you very much. I've seen firsthand what the flu does to the nhs. And I've seen first hand what covid has and is doing in hospitals. That's before we even consider the actual biological differences in the illnesses.

If my workplace guidance was to self isolate if a family member had the flu, I'd do so. Let alone if it was literally the law. I'm intelligent enough to know that the epidemiologists and health professionals behind the making such of guidance and laws know better than I do.

Im confused, who's making stuff up?

I wonder how many people on here who are accusing the OP of Nazism have had Covid? My whole family, including my baby, has Covid. It’s awful, really awful. I can’t believe how ill we’ve been and we’re all fit and healthy. My DH got pinged to isolate and we all felt fine. 5 days later it hit him and he was so unwell. Then it got me, then the baby. Thank god we isolated and didn’t decide to ignore it because I would feel awful knowing we could have spread this. We both have vulnerable people in our extended families and if some of them got this they wouldn’t survive it. I’d be devastated if any of them contracted it because someone had decided that the ‘rules’ didn’t apply to them.
I don’t know about ‘reporting’ someone, I don’t know who you would report someone to, and I’m not sure I would do it, but I’d be fuming if someone was taking the piss. This virus is not fun (much worse than flu and gastroenteritis in our cases) and I hope that people will consider others if and where they can. I’m very worried about my baby, I don’t want us to go through this again if we can help it and it must be awful for those who are vulnerable. It’s been a tough 18 months and we’ve all suffered from lockdowns etc, I’ve been hit financially and emotionally, but I feel like I finally understand truly why now that I’ve had the damned thing.