Family party and the unvaccinated

[JanetPondersley]

My immediate family are throwing a medium sized, outdoor, family party to celebrate all the celebrations we have missed over the last 18 months.

All the Aunts, Uncles, Cousins etc we are close to are invited, along with some close family friends.

We have always been close to one particular cousin and her family. Me and my siblings are close in age to her and her siblings.

The issue is, this particular cousin and her husband are refusing to have the vaccine. I unfriended them a while ago on facebook as the husband likes to share delightful 'patriotic' memes (which is a whole other story), and the husband has fallen hook, line and sinker for all the anti mask / anti vax rhetoric. He calls face masks face nappies and muzzles. (insert the biggest eyeroll you can imagine here)

There will be a number of unvaccinated children there, including a new born who will be somewhere around a month old then. Also a friend who is unable to be vaccinated, so as a family we have decided that we won't be inviting the cousin due to choosing not to be vaccinated.

This has obviously led to drama. Personally, I couldn't care less. If people want to refuse to come because we haven't invited this cousin, they are welcome to not come. But it's really upset my mum, who is elderly and had a shittier than average past 18 months. She wants me and my siblings to back down and keep the peace.

AIBU to stick to our guns and not invite the cousin?

These ignorant posts are getting really boring. My vaccinated husband has covid at the moment having most likely caught it from his vaccinated sister who also has covid. Being vaccinated is not some magical shield ffs. You can still catch and carry the virus. If you want to ensure a ‘safe’ and boring life, don’t have the party.

We have a person in our household who is CEV and got no antibodies from the vaccine. We do not socialize with anyone who is unvaccinated. We even have to be careful with young children. I would be furious if our extended family allowed unvaccinated adults to attend an event. It would mean we could not attend and be a clear signal that they care more about the other family member than us.

The unvaccinated adults have a choice. Exclusion is the natural consequence of that choice.

YANBU in the slightest. Being vaccinated massively lowers the risk of infection and passing it on. We recently had a wedding in our family (not the UK) - only fully vaccinated adults were allowed to come. No negotiations, no room for tantrums. If you choose to be an arsehole, be a danger to your loved ones and try and hold me to ransom to this virus, you can fuck off.

If you choose to be an arsehole, be a danger to your loved ones and try and hold me to ransom to this virus, you can fuck off.

😬 Chill.

@NoMoreCovidPlease

YANBU in the slightest. Being vaccinated massively lowers the risk of infection and passing it on. We recently had a wedding in our family (not the UK) - only fully vaccinated adults were allowed to come. No negotiations, no room for tantrums. If you choose to be an arsehole, be a danger to your loved ones and try and hold me to ransom to this virus, you can fuck off.

What about those who can not have the vaccine?

[quote JanetPondersley]@Wigglegiggle0520

The vaccine vastly reduces your chances of catching and transmitting it.

But as I mention above, it's more the principle of the thing. He is happy to drink 'off the back of a lorry' vodka, but clutches his handbag and mentions his human rights when it comes to a perfectly tested vaccine.[/quote]
He is partly right, drinking has been going on since time began. This is the first time in history of vaccines that they have come out with one so quickly and let’s be honest. People are dying from it and having really bad side effects. And it hasn’t even begun yet so yeah call me anti vax which I’m not but I’m not touching this one until the real experiment is over. It takes 7 years minimum to make sure they are actually long term safe. If I was him him I would stay away from
You. Good luck

If half the posters here have a CEV child, for instance, I guarantee they would indeed be organising their lives with safety in mind. Especially in this upcoming period where the UK will become plague island.

@Theluggage15

These ignorant posts are getting really boring. My vaccinated husband has covid at the moment having most likely caught it from his vaccinated sister who also has covid. Being vaccinated is not some magical shield ffs. You can still catch and carry the virus. If you want to ensure a ‘safe’ and boring life, don’t have the party.

Yeah. I know 3 people after vaccine had and currently have it. Luckily the vaccine worked and they have very mild symptoms. It's not magic shield to make people stop spreading it or catching it.

@SupermanWithTheGreyHair

Of course it's about safety. They safety of those who have NO CHOICE and can not be vaccinated. Their needs come first. Stop being so willfully ignorant. It's not about making allowances for the vulnerable but protecting them.

But people are at risk from anyone that’s unvaccinated, regardless of the reason for them not being vaccinated. I could be vaccinated but have chosen not to be. My kids can’t be vaccinated yet. None of us are seeing CEV or CV relatives/friends because we all pose a risk to them. I wouldn’t be ok with my kids seeing them anymore than I would be me seeing them.

It’s not logical. But regardless, people can choose to not have anyone attend a party they are holding. For any reason.

Your willful ignorance impresses nobody outside of the circle of absolute selfish morons that is the antivax circle jerk. The whole point of vaccination is to protect the most vulnerable. Everybody who can makes the almost imperceptible effort to get vaccinated in order that our population as a whole is not one where the pathogen can spread. We do this to keep those who are most at risk.

Using those who you refuse to protect as some sort of fucked up argument to not get vaccinated isn't the clever point you think it is. It's actually a really disgusting thing to do. Fine your body your choice, so don't protect the vulnerable. But fuck the fuck off with the victim blaming to justify your selfishness.

It's not magic shield to make people stop spreading it or catching it.
Well obviously, just like a seatbelt isn't a magic shield from being injured in a car crash. Wearing one does reduce the chance of injuries to yourself and others though. I wouldn't invite someone on a drive with me if they were anti-seatbelt.

Personally as cases are very high where we are , when we get together as a family we all have LFT . I know it’s not perfect but it is minimising risk .

And I know someone who went to a wedding and everyone was asked to do one and no one objected .

I think I would just ask guests to have a test before they come to the party then you are treating everyone the same . Still try and social distance from each other .

And just ignore the relative just for being a Pratt.

I’d say your cousin has had a lucky escape.
You sound unpleasant and judgmental.

@Ratalie

It's not magic shield to make people stop spreading it or catching it. Well obviously, just like a seatbelt isn't a magic shield from being injured in a car crash. Wearing one does reduce the chance of injuries to yourself and others though. I wouldn't invite someone on a drive with me if they were anti-seatbelt.

Jsut want to say that i am nkt antivax. I had it. It's just that it looks sometimes like aome people believe it stops the spread completely. Kind if the other spectrum to "it doesn't work at all"

Jesus Christ. You are going to have a very hard life if you buy into this whole only being near vaccinated people.

If I was then I wouldn't want to go anyway. it's horrible that your willing to tear the family apart over something that is their choice. you don't sound like nice people.

I’m not vaccinated by choice and I’m happy to discuss that choice with anyone who wishes to understand why.

I’m also perfectly happy to not be invited to gatherings by people who are vaccinated and feel as if they can blatantly judge me as a result. In fact I’d probably prefer not to be around them.

So don’t invite them and do them a favour.

Nuts

Jesus Christ. You are going to have a very hard life if you buy into this whole only being near vaccinated people.
Around 90% of the adult population is vaccinated. I'd assume at least another couple of percent will ultimately vaccinate, and that there are also a good few percent of people who cannot get vaccinated (or have extreme difficulty doing so). It shouldn't really be too hard to avoid willfully interacting with the vaccine refuses.

No, I don't think it's right to not invite someone because they haven't had the vaccine. Neither have the children or the one who can't.. so what is the difference? Other than they had the choice.

You dont like him, he doesnt like illegal immigrents, in your opinion he is racist, however all that aside, you cannot lump all that in with the vaccination issue. Some people are genuinely scared of the long term effects of the vaccine

I wouldn't invite them either and if anyone (including them) questions it i'd just say that I didn't want to socialise with racists. Wouldn't even enter into the vaccine conversation.

I was desperate to have the vaccines but I would stand up for people's rights to choose what they want to do to their bodies. BUT they sound like right tossers so I would just stay away from them at the party. I think who ever's house it is gets to decide if they invite them or not. But if its a joint decision than I would invite them both for your mum's sake and because its unethical to try and force someone to be vaccinated by excluding them for their decision.
You are walking around this world with unvaccinated people - at least you know your cousins are not vaccinated so just stay away from them its outside after all.

@XenoBitch the question fortunately was not an issue. But the answer I think would have been to include them if they wanted to given that someone so vulnerable would have to be shielding generally anyway so would be a very small risk to others.

LOL🥲

Do you normally ask them if they've had the flu jab before inviting them to Christmas dinner (and do YOU have the flu jab)? What happened to personal choice?