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AIBU?

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To not want to see any adult who hasn’t had the vaccine

331 replies

Fthisshitimdone · 15/07/2021 23:15

I don’t feel like I want to hang out with anyone who has refused the vaccine. AIBU? It’s not only because I am worried they are carrying the virus it’s also because I resent them. I think they’re being selfish and also that they think they’re better than the rest of us!

OP posts:
PandemicPalava · 16/07/2021 06:47

Isn't it only 13% of adults now with no vaccine? Surely this is the best we can do without physically forcing people.

Say the law changed tomorrow and said we all had to get a tattoo on our faces to stop a virus spreading. Would you? If you go down your route it would have massive ethical implications. It is very important that people have a say over what happens to their bodies and if I was a friend of yours I would probably back away slowly.

Trinacham · 16/07/2021 06:52

Wow. Have you thought that some of us haven't had it because of reasons other than just being selfish? I am pregnant, that is my reason. Whether you agree with that or not, I don't care, but it is my reason. I am having to be cautious of who I meet too.

Whinginadeville · 16/07/2021 06:57

06:52Trinacham
OP has already said she doesn't Inc anyone who genuinely can't have it

TinaYouFatLard · 16/07/2021 07:01

Ooh I might start saying I’m unvaccinated if it means people of superior intelligence like the OP keep out of my life.

ohnoisaid2much · 16/07/2021 07:06

@Fthisshitimdone

I don’t include anyone in this that hasn’t had the choice. Those who are old enough and can have it but have refused are just winding me up

Poor you Biscuit

Minding ones own business is a very peaceful pursuit - maybe try that?

Silvercatowner · 16/07/2021 07:12

OP I completely agree. In fact, to make it easier to discern the vaccinated from the unvaccinated, I think those who have been vaccinated should have a tatoo on their forehead or cheek. We could easily tell then.

AWiseWomanOnceSaidFuckThisShit · 16/07/2021 07:14

This can't be real. You sound unhinged. I've not had the vaccine yet because I simply want to wait for a while and see how it goes - make sure no more hideous side effects come to light. I'm just a cautious person. I've no problem with vaccines in general and myself and my children have had all others. But we (and everyone we know personally) who had covid, had extremely mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, including DH's elderly and vulnerable grandparents! Whereas a lot of people who had the vaccine have been really, really unwell. I have had literally every other vaccine, including some that many others haven't had like yellow fever and rabies as I live abroad and travel often, and never had a single side effect - not even a mild one. So yeah, I find all these really unpleasant reactions/people being bedbound after the vaccine/women having really weird issues with their period after the vaccine/some people literally rushed to hospital/even dying to be pretty weird and scary and unlike any experience I've had with a vaccine before (and like I said, worse than my experience of actual covid). When it comes to myself and my family, well, my family come first, and I just want to wait and see if any more side effects come to light/horrible long term effects are revealed. I read an article recently that some scientists have agreed with what I've been thinking - that for young and healthy people, the vaccine might be more risky than covid! So I am, in my opinion, being sensible and cautious. I haven't had it yet. Doesn't mean I won't. But YAB pretty pathetic to have this attitude and to be honest it sounds like you regret having the vaccine and are a bit bitter that others chose not to? And now want them forced to have it like you felt forced, so you're all stuck in the same boat. Just how it comes across to me 🤷🏽‍♀️ I also think the 'people who haven't had the vaccine' claim is a bit pathetic and just a really weak and desperate thing to say. How is simply taking your time, doing lots of research, taking into account your own experience with covid and other people's experiences of covid and the vaccine, researching statistics and opinions of scientists etc being unintelligent whereas racing to having something stuck in your body without even thinking about it just because you're told to, and in light of the short term side effects and unknown long term risk, the behavior of a really smart person?

I FUCKING LOVE YOU!!! Could not have put it better myself. All these melodramatic vaccine warriors can fuck off and if anyone I know "disowns" me I'll be glad to see the back of them. I'd 100% rather take my chances with covid rather than an experimental vaccine that has made so many people seriously ill. A large portion of people who have had the jab have done so because they WANTED it, have NO discomfort over it and BELIEVE it's primarily the best thing for them and their loved ones. That's fine. A lot of people have also had the jab unwillingly because they want to travel and be as unrestricted as possible. That's also fine. But for all these Covid Angels saying they've gritted their teeth and bravely stuck their arms out purely to put society first - fuck off have you!

frumpety · 16/07/2021 07:15

How would you know though ? Do you ask to see all your friends NHS app vaccination certificates ? Or are you just talking about people who have told you they are not having the vaccine ?

boobot1 · 16/07/2021 07:15

@Fthisshitimdone

I don’t feel like I want to hang out with anyone who has refused the vaccine. AIBU? It’s not only because I am worried they are carrying the virus it’s also because I resent them. I think they’re being selfish and also that they think they’re better than the rest of us!
You sound irrational
Holly60 · 16/07/2021 07:16

@Totallydefeated

also that they think they’re better than the rest of us!

What makes them think they’re so special that they shouldn’t have the vaccine?

Sorry, I don’t get why you think they think they’re ‘special’ for being worried about the vaccine. Can you explain more?

I don’t think OP is saying they are special for worrying about the vaccine. I think she is saying they think they are special in that they think that those worries justify them putting others at risk. Many many people have had the vaccine DESPITE those worries in order to do the right thing. Everyone who has had the vaccine is just as aware of blood clots etc as those who have decided not to have it. It’s just that we think the infinitesimal risks are worth it to protect those people who would most likely die if they caught COVID.
Blessex · 16/07/2021 07:18

I don’t know anyone who is refusing the vaccine. Everyone I speak to is clambering to get it and proud to have had it. And I work in a global company so speak to lots of people in the U.K. and round the world.

bluebeach · 16/07/2021 07:20

@hawkehurstgang
Very well said and I completely agree. I’ve noticed how some health professionals are only really advising old or vulnerable people to have the injection. Even the leaflet from the NHS that came with my vaccine invite listed who should have the vaccine and being young and healthy wasn’t on the list.
No one will be liable other than yourself if something goes wrong so you need to make a fully informed choice.

boobot1 · 16/07/2021 07:21

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

Hid what a different life I lead - I couldn't tell you who is and isn't vaccinated of my friends and I'd never ask
This is what I don't get. Who would even ask? I do me, if someone doesn't want to, it's their choice. Some serious control freaks here.
Booger123 · 16/07/2021 07:23

Is this person real or someone from the press. There was a You gov poll asking just this type of question the other day.

Trinacham · 16/07/2021 07:29

@Whinginadeville

06:52Trinacham OP has already said she doesn't Inc anyone who genuinely can't have it
Ah, that's not in their OP. We can have it, but some of us are choosing not to.
changeyourname11111 · 16/07/2021 07:30

There are many reasons people might not get the vaccination, and none of them are anyone else’s business.

boobot1 · 16/07/2021 07:36

@frigglerock

I feel like I want them penalised. Like refused entry to everything and not allowed to travel

Ha ha!

What a charming attitude to have! Hmm

The unvaccinated will be fortunate to avoid some of this vitriol, tbh!

She sounds like one of those people who would have been sat round the bonfire screaming "burn the witch" lol
sayanythingelse · 16/07/2021 07:43

Me and DH have refused it for multiple reasons:

  1. I had mild Covid in January. DH and toddler DD never caught it from me. They both tested negative twice.
  2. We were TTC (now pregnant).
  3. I've had a bad reaction to a vaccine before. I should have never had the TB jab as it was later discovered I had a natural immunity already when I ended up in hospital due to the jab.
  4. It's not a vaccine as we know it. An mRNA has never been used on such a widespread scale before. I don't blame people for being hesitant until we see the long-term results.

I don't care if you have the jab or not but it's very short-sighted to see why some people are wary of it.

Fthisshitimdone · 16/07/2021 07:50

How many of you vaccine refusers have had any Botox or lip fillers - be honest

OP posts:
dworky · 16/07/2021 07:53

Yes, they are selfish and also hypocritical because unless they're prepared to live under strict lockdown for the forseeable future (years), they are actually relying on other people to do the very thing they are refusing to!

Sugarandtime · 16/07/2021 07:58

The only people that I know at the moment who have had a positive test result (admittedly only 3 people so not exactly a lot) have all had 2 injections.
The first caught it from a friend, no idea if they had had the injections but are around 60 years old so more than likely, they then passed it on to the 2 others in their household.
So transmission between fully injected people is certainly still possible,
Might be rare, I have no idea.

Minecraftlover · 16/07/2021 07:58

I haven't had the vaccine yet. I am in my 20's, fit and well in every way, apart from having suffered horrendously heavy periods which have severely affected my life since the age of 14. I am now in the (rather long and drawn out) process of being diagnosed with endometriosis. I am fucking terrified of the thousands of reports from women, across all the vaccines, of period changes - some ending up hospitalised for heavy periods when they have never previously had them before. I am terrified how the vaccine will affect me. I have two young kids to look after. It is fuck all to do with being selfish, and if I change my mind it will not be to go on holiday! Nobody should feel forced to put something in their body against their will. If any of the people in my life feel the same as you then I hope they avoid me like the fucking plague.
YABU

Minecraftlover · 16/07/2021 08:03

Oh and no Botox or lip fillers here 😂

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 16/07/2021 08:11

I only know one person - ex colleague - he’s the type who won’t even take Lemsip for a stinking cold, hasn’t for years. .But another ex c and I were happy to meet him recently for our usual (pre Covid) pub lunch. She and I were both double vaxxed so OK with it.

Though if you’re soon going to have to show vax proof to enter pubs, I think that might just change his mind.

Hillary17 · 16/07/2021 08:11

I think it’s a bit backwards to penalise people for wanting autonomy over their own body and decisions. I’m double jabbed but my Dad has refused. He’s taken precautions but doesn’t want to be forced into a decision about his body until there’s more data. A friend of mine has been advised by her GP to not take any of the vaccines; she hasn’t had a choice so it shouldn’t be held against her. I think by holding it against them, forcing them not to travel all well do as a society is stoke the fire and give people more reason to resist.

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