To not want to see any adult who hasn’t had the vaccine

[Fthisshitimdone]

I don’t feel like I want to hang out with anyone who has refused the vaccine. AIBU? It’s not only because I am worried they are carrying the virus it’s also because I resent them. I think they’re being selfish and also that they think they’re better than the rest of us!

You sound very bitter op! Are you regretting taking the vaccine ? How will you know who's has the vaccine and who hasn't ?
What about being in a public space ? Will you worry about those around you at the local garden centre ?

1. the vaccinations are still in the testing phase.
2. you are posing more of a risk to them in theory as you can still get Covid despite being vaccinated
3. meet then and socially distance, thus reducing your risk
4. all life’s activities have risk attached - crossing the road, dealing with electricity etc. Covid is a new risk. Not that high of a risk for the majority. Sadly a big risk for a minority of people.

Vaccination doesn't stop the spread. You can still get covid it just stops you becoming seriously poorly/life threatening sick.

Here’s another example

DF fully vaccinated, teen showing symptoms, they haven’t contacted anyone for a PCR test because she wants to attend a wedding

On one hand, getting a PCR tests didn’t actually help the sick in anyway shape or form, it only helps those you mix with- he isn’t mixing - it only serves to lock down those around you.

I would call that selfish.

I'm vaccinated, but think you're being utterly ridiculous and YABVU.
Surely it's up to the individual whether they are or not, bodily autonomy and all that.
Rather choice than forced!
Whether forced or feeling forced by some Judgy Knickers.

@Totallydefeated

also that they think they’re better than the rest of us!

What makes them think they’re so special that they shouldn’t have the vaccine?

Sorry, I don’t get why you think they think they’re ‘special’ for being worried about the vaccine. Can you explain more?

The only 2 people I know who won't have the vaccine aren't worried about it. They think it's all a scam by Big Pharma and that people who have it are sheeple who've been taken in by a massive hoax.

They won't wear masks, either, and have been socialising pretty much as normal throughout all lockdowns. One of them was still going out and about when their lodger had tested positive.

One is my stepson. He rocked up at his 82 year old grandmother's just when we were in Tier 2 last year and wouldn't wear a mask or use sanitiser. I wouldn't have let him over the threshold, personally, but MIL was desperate to see her DGD and far too nice to send him packing.

He also said that it's only old people who die of it, and "they're going to die soon anyway", despite the fact that his own father, previously very fit and well, never fully recovered from Covid last March and died very suddenly 7 months later of a coronary thrombosis.

@Fthisshitimdone

I feel like I want them penalised. Like refused entry to everything and not allowed to travel

@cherry2727

You sound very bitter op! Are you regretting taking the vaccine ? How will you know who's has the vaccine and who hasn't ? What about being in a public space ? Will you worry about those around you at the local garden centre ?

Why would she be regretting having had the vaccine? Aren't quite a lot of garden centres outside? Strange post.

@dappymonster

Vaccination doesn't stop the spread. You can still get covid it just stops you becoming seriously poorly/life threatening sick.

There is evidence that it reduces transmission.

Tinpotspectator

One of the very unpleasant things about a lot of the refusers is that they are openly saying they will have it if it helps them personally eg to go on holiday. Lovely!

Most people I know who have had the vax have had to so that they can go to the pub and go on holiday..

Sorry I think YABU.
One of my closest friends has fairly severe mental health problems and was offered it months before me, she refused it, I've had my first one.
I wouldn't dream of falling out with her, or want her 'penalised', her body her choice.

I feel like I want them penalised. Like refused entry to everything and not allowed to travel

Ha ha!

What a charming attitude to have!

The unvaccinated will be fortunate to avoid some of this vitriol, tbh!

@PastMyBestBeforeDate

This is the guidance for CEV people. They're told to only meet with vaccinated people. We're supposed to know people's vaccination status.

This. I'm not sure how I'm meant to know but if I asked if someone had been vaccinated and they didn't want to answer it then I guess I would have to avoid them The actual government guidance is presuming we know or can ask people's vaccination status

@Northernparent68

If you’re vaccinated you are protected

No, and that’s exactly how you stop herd immunity working.

@hawkehurstgang

This can't be real. You sound unhinged.

I've not had the vaccine yet because I simply want to wait for a while and see how it goes - make sure no more hideous side effects come to light. I'm just a cautious person. I've no problem with vaccines in general and myself and my children have had all others. But we (and everyone we know personally) who had covid, had extremely mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, including DH's elderly and vulnerable grandparents! Whereas a lot of people who had the vaccine have been really, really unwell.

I have had literally every other vaccine, including some that many others haven't had like yellow fever and rabies as I live abroad and travel often, and never had a single side effect - not even a mild one. So yeah, I find all these really unpleasant reactions/people being bedbound after the vaccine/women having really weird issues with their period after the vaccine/some people literally rushed to hospital/even dying to be pretty weird and scary and unlike any experience I've had with a vaccine before (and like I said, worse than my experience of actual covid).

When it comes to myself and my family, well, my family come first, and I just want to wait and see if any more side effects come to light/horrible long term effects are revealed. I read an article recently that some scientists have agreed with what I've been thinking - that for young and healthy people, the vaccine might be more risky than covid! So I am, in my opinion, being sensible and cautious.

I haven't had it yet. Doesn't mean I won't. But YAB pretty pathetic to have this attitude and to be honest it sounds like you regret having the vaccine and are a bit bitter that others chose not to? And now want them forced to have it like you felt forced, so you're all stuck in the same boat. Just how it comes across to me 🤷🏽‍♀️

I also think the 'people who haven't had the vaccine' claim is a bit pathetic and just a really weak and desperate thing to say. How is simply taking your time, doing lots of research, taking into account your own experience with covid and other people's experiences of covid and the vaccine, researching statistics and opinions of scientists etc being unintelligent whereas racing to having something stuck in your body without even thinking about it just because you're told to, and in light of the short term side effects and unknown long term risk, the behavior of a really smart person?

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@hawkehurstgang

This can't be real. You sound unhinged.

I've not had the vaccine yet because I simply want to wait for a while and see how it goes - make sure no more hideous side effects come to light. I'm just a cautious person. I've no problem with vaccines in general and myself and my children have had all others. But we (and everyone we know personally) who had covid, had extremely mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, including DH's elderly and vulnerable grandparents! Whereas a lot of people who had the vaccine have been really, really unwell.

I have had literally every other vaccine, including some that many others haven't had like yellow fever and rabies as I live abroad and travel often, and never had a single side effect - not even a mild one. So yeah, I find all these really unpleasant reactions/people being bedbound after the vaccine/women having really weird issues with their period after the vaccine/some people literally rushed to hospital/even dying to be pretty weird and scary and unlike any experience I've had with a vaccine before (and like I said, worse than my experience of actual covid).

When it comes to myself and my family, well, my family come first, and I just want to wait and see if any more side effects come to light/horrible long term effects are revealed. I read an article recently that some scientists have agreed with what I've been thinking - that for young and healthy people, the vaccine might be more risky than covid! So I am, in my opinion, being sensible and cautious.

I haven't had it yet. Doesn't mean I won't. But YAB pretty pathetic to have this attitude and to be honest it sounds like you regret having the vaccine and are a bit bitter that others chose not to? And now want them forced to have it like you felt forced, so you're all stuck in the same boat. Just how it comes across to me 🤷🏽‍♀️

I also think the 'people who haven't had the vaccine' claim is a bit pathetic and just a really weak and desperate thing to say. How is simply taking your time, doing lots of research, taking into account your own experience with covid and other people's experiences of covid and the vaccine, researching statistics and opinions of scientists etc being unintelligent whereas racing to having something stuck in your body without even thinking about it just because you're told to, and in light of the short term side effects and unknown long term risk, the behavior of a really smart person?

@hawkehurstgang 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 You have very eloquently expressed my opinion 100% Thank you.

@Fthisshitimdone

I feel like I want them penalised. Like refused entry to everything and not allowed to travel

Is this for real?

No, no one could be this controlling ... right?

Your vaccine protects you. You’ve no right to know anyone else’s vaccine status

What will you do about non vaccinated work colleagues?
What about hospitality staff? Will you not want to eat out?

@FiveToedSloth

Tinpotspectator

One of the very unpleasant things about a lot of the refusers is that they are openly saying they will have it if it helps them personally eg to go on holiday. Lovely!

Most people I know who have had the vax have had to so that they can go to the pub and go on holiday..

Well, yes, they want to live a normal life. If they are not in any vulnerable categories (ie elderly, immunocompromised, or obese) then they don’t need it.

But if governments dig their heels in and make normal life impossible without, then we have to submit to big brother. Not hard to understand imho

You can still catch it if your vaccinated.

Are you ok, mentally?
You sound like a control freak.

Did you associate with people (any people) between March and December last year? No one was vaccinated then. But you survived. Why is your risk suddenly so much greater now?

You might want to seek help for your irrational fear avd anxiety.
And I don’t think travel is for you either - they have typhoid and yellow fever in other countries, you know. Far more deadly than COVID.

OP, copied from an article I read in the Daily Mail (re a recent study: “Professor Tim Spector, who leads the study, said infections may now be beginning to 'plateau' but the rate of decline was slower than during the second wave.
The study also found almost half of all cases are now among people who have received at least one dose of the Covid vaccine, which Professor Spector said may have happened because the virus was 'running out' of un-vaccinated people without previous immunity to infect.”

The virus is running out of non-immune unvaccinated people and is instead hunting down the vaccinated (according to Prof Spector. Surely this means the unvaccinated are now the protected ones and the vaccinated are the vulnerable ones? If this is true then your unvaccinated friends would do well to steer clear of you.....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9792171/Graphs-surge-cases-men-twenties-spike-coincides-Euro-2020.html?offset=866&max=100&jumpTo=comment-721087123

I personally think this is never going away, I hope I’m wrong but it’s getting more ridiculous by the day and now all the confusion about wearing masks.
I’m in London and use the underground regularly and I’m dreading it next week as there will be people wearing masks and lots of people not and this is just going to cause arguments and no doubt people fighting.
It’s just getting ridiculous.