To not want to see any adult who hasn’t had the vaccine

[Fthisshitimdone]

I don’t feel like I want to hang out with anyone who has refused the vaccine. AIBU? It’s not only because I am worried they are carrying the virus it’s also because I resent them. I think they’re being selfish and also that they think they’re better than the rest of us!

@Totallydefeated

OP you do realise that 47% of the people who currently have the virus have been jabbed, don’t you? So should everyone be banned from travel?

can i ask where you got this figure from please because I can't find it....here's what i did find. "Can you catch COVID-19 after being vaccinated?

Together with our research colleagues at King’s College London, we looked at data from 1.1 million app contributors who had logged one or both doses of the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine in the app between 8th December 2020 and 14th May 2021.

We saw that 2,394 and 187 people tested positive for COVID-19 more than two weeks after their first and second jabs, respectively, with the chances of becoming infected falling as time passed.

That’s the equivalent of one in 500 (0.2%) and one in 3,333 (0.03%), although your individual chances of getting infected after vaccination will depend on the prevalence of COVID-19 in your area at any given time.

Reassuringly, only 104 people in the vaccinated group who tested positive for COVID-19 ended up in hospital (one in 2,500 or 0.04%). "

from ZOE covid.joinzoe.com/post/risk-covid-after-vaccine#part_2

@AWiseWomanOnceSaidFuckThisShit

But for all these Covid Angels saying they've gritted their teeth and bravely stuck their arms out purely to put society first - fuck off have you!

But that’s exactly what some people have done. You weren’t able to do the same, fine, whatever, but don’t begrudge them their act of altruism. I find it bizarre that this makes you very angry.

How do we even know peoples vaccination status? It's none of my business if my friends or family have had the vaccine or not. Their body, their choice. What the hell happened to freedom of choice?

I find this weird......I mean do I not want to hang out with people who think that the vaccine affects their DNA/gives Bill Gates control over their brains/is one huge experiment/has somehow been bodged because of the speed of development and other such shite? Well yes but that is because they are idiots, not because they are unvaccinated. I don't want to point and laugh at or penalise them though (well maybe point and laugh a bit) I think for the rest, its voting with your feet and using the businesses and services whose "covid rules" match your own.

My husband has covid at the moment and and he’s been double jabbed. I seem to be fine so far and I’ve been double jabbed. Having the vaccine does not stop you getting covid but hopefully stops you getting seriously ill. It also doesn’t stop you spreading it, he caught it from his vaccinated sister. So if you’re that scared of the virus you should keep away from everyone.

I couldn’t care less what other people do, I can’t imagine wanting to spend time with someone with the views that you have. What a tedious bore.

No botox, lip fillers or any other form of intervention here either.

I also do not have cervical or breast screening, and I'm sure the likes of the OP will think me completely stupid - but actually, like Dr Margaret McCartney, I am qualified to look at original research, and have come to my own conclusions that the chances of me having unecessary treatment outweigh the very minimal benefits of screening.

OP, as you are so intelligent, you will doubtless understand that what you have been jabbed with is not a vaccine in the sense that Jenner would understand. Calling it a vaccine is an oversimplification. Applying normal vaccine precautions and assumptions is nonsensical.

If this was made clear, I'd have no issue with it. But it hasn't been, and lots of people have no clue that this 'vaccine' is anything other than the usual weakened or dead virus.

Over the last few years, I've noticed how perfectly reasonable reservations about vaccines (such as questioning the wisdom of the current vaccine schedule for babies; or pointing out that vaccine damage does occur and people should be compensated when it does) have been reframed as being 'anti-vax'. There's a weird vaccine zealotry where anything other than complete unquestioning compliance is vilified. Almost as though there's a need to stifle debate for some reason.

Since the start of this pandemic there have been many, many things that have gone directly against all common sense and medical understanding. Nursing patients in crook lying. PHE's instruction to not use PPE or social distancing within care homes. The first time in history that vaccine immunity will last for longer than natural immunity. The first time that people have been told to have the vaccine when they had already had the disease.

And the way in which every precaution is about protecting others, in a way that encourages those with empathy to comply, and also to apply pressure on those who don't. Then become enraged if that pressure doesn't work.

It feels to me like the psychopaths in charge (who lack all empathy) are using people's empathy against them.

I follow all the guidelines, and will continue to do so - as again, lifting all restrictions at this point is nonsensical. But have an experimental 'vaccine' of questionable effectiveness injected into me? No, that's a step too far.

And since I think travel and close contact is a brilliant way to spread disease, you can stop me doing anything you like. I'm not going to be doing it anyway.

@Fthisshitimdone

I feel like I want them penalised. Like refused entry to everything and not allowed to travel

Sorry but you sound absolutely bonkers. I wouldn't want to be hanging out with people with your extremist views- vaccinated or unvaccinated

Overegged it otherwise it could be maybe believable as a real thread.
1.5 out of 5*
Surprised people are actually engaging...

Fthisshitimdone

How many of you vaccine refusers have had any Botox or lip fillers - be honest

Are you for real?! The government isn’t demanding that 95% of the population have lip fillers! People choose to have them or not. They can choose to have lip fillers and not a new vaccine. They can choose to have a new vaccine and not lip fillers! I’m not having the vaccine, I avoid all medication generally, and I have never so much as had my ears pierced!

@hawkehurstgang

This can't be real. You sound unhinged.

I've not had the vaccine yet because I simply want to wait for a while and see how it goes - make sure no more hideous side effects come to light. I'm just a cautious person. I've no problem with vaccines in general and myself and my children have had all others. But we (and everyone we know personally) who had covid, had extremely mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, including DH's elderly and vulnerable grandparents! Whereas a lot of people who had the vaccine have been really, really unwell.

I have had literally every other vaccine, including some that many others haven't had like yellow fever and rabies as I live abroad and travel often, and never had a single side effect - not even a mild one. So yeah, I find all these really unpleasant reactions/people being bedbound after the vaccine/women having really weird issues with their period after the vaccine/some people literally rushed to hospital/even dying to be pretty weird and scary and unlike any experience I've had with a vaccine before (and like I said, worse than my experience of actual covid).

When it comes to myself and my family, well, my family come first, and I just want to wait and see if any more side effects come to light/horrible long term effects are revealed. I read an article recently that some scientists have agreed with what I've been thinking - that for young and healthy people, the vaccine might be more risky than covid! So I am, in my opinion, being sensible and cautious.

I haven't had it yet. Doesn't mean I won't. But YAB pretty pathetic to have this attitude and to be honest it sounds like you regret having the vaccine and are a bit bitter that others chose not to? And now want them forced to have it like you felt forced, so you're all stuck in the same boat. Just how it comes across to me 🤷🏽‍♀️

I also think the 'people who haven't had the vaccine' claim is a bit pathetic and just a really weak and desperate thing to say. How is simply taking your time, doing lots of research, taking into account your own experience with covid and other people's experiences of covid and the vaccine, researching statistics and opinions of scientists etc being unintelligent whereas racing to having something stuck in your body without even thinking about it just because you're told to, and in light of the short term side effects and unknown long term risk, the behavior of a really smart person?

This is exactly how I feel and also most of my friends. Very well put

@ChristmasFluff completely agree it's all a massive conspiracy. Did you know that nurses are injected with a special toxin which eradicates all their empathy before they qualify?

Seriously though, take a step back and re-read your post. I'm a HCP and I get patients every so often spouting similar things and they all have problems.

YANBU OP, not at all

I feel the same although I don’t vocalise me feelings as I don’t want to upset or offend anyone. The thing that annoys me the most is this sense of superiority, like these people know better than leading teams of scientists who formulate the vaccines. It is very selfish but people are selfish.

"Unintelligent", "unhinged"

Bloody hell.....

So… you don’t want to hang around with people that you perceive think are better than you… because you think you’re better than them?

I do agree with you to some extent as I know a couple of people that refuse to have the vaccine and are continuing to hold house parties and travel and not self isolate despite being contacted and they then come into work and refuse to wear masks. There are quite a few people in my office that have extremely vulnerable family members who have asked they don’t come near them or associate with them and I agree to some extent but on the other hand you also can’t force people to have the jab.

Just think about how many people you have walked past in the street or queued behind in the supermarket who haven’t had the jab and you’ll never know.

As long as you’re taking the precautions yourself and ensuring you are following current rules, that’s the best you can possibly do.

YABU for not using the covid topic for this OP.

@Fthisshitimdone

I don’t feel like I want to hang out with anyone who has refused the vaccine. AIBU? It’s not only because I am worried they are carrying the virus it’s also because I resent them. I think they’re being selfish and also that they think they’re better than the rest of us!

If I’m honest I don’t want to hang out with someone like you. Pathetic isn’t even the word. They have pulled a right blinder over the weak brainwashed minds of the naive. You do know there are doctors and scientists who say it should be a choice and this has been taken way too far by the media and government.

OP you do know the vaccine isn't a one off and will need to be updated each year along with the flu vaccine? To be honest unless you're pregnant, elderly or vulnerable you'll probably have to pay for the next one.

I also do not have cervical or breast screening, and I'm sure the likes of the OP will think me completely stupid

I think most people would call this completely stupid.

It's scary that there's people out there who actually think things like this!

I'm sure they will be devastated to be deprived of your superior company.

So you don’t believe people should have a free choice then? You say you know we can’t force them but want to penalise them? Where are your ethics? It’s ok to be disappointed in their choice and to feel the way you do but from a pure survival instinct it’s no bad thing that not everyone rushes to get a new vaccine where long term side effects are unknown. The vaccines have gone through rigorous testing but as they are so new nobody knows long term effects. I have had mine and most people I know have also had it. I am very happy with my choice but I understand why some people choose not to right now. As for not associating with them, your reaction is extreme to this issue so it would probably be best if you didn’t but I agree with others that it will be your loss as many people may decide that a friend who judges peoples personal choices on their own health and cuts them off is not worth their time. We have had similar discussions in my group of friends and while I think time will resolve it, it is the judgemental ones who are being judged harshly iyswim.

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Overegged it otherwise it could be maybe believable as a real thread. 1.5 out of 5* Surprised people are actually engaging...

Plenty of people have voted in agreement with the OP.

Not RTFT and most of the ppl I meet are vaxxed, but I meet one or two who are not vaxxed outside in an emptyish cafe. Surely that is an option.