To not want to see any adult who hasn’t had the vaccine

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I don’t feel like I want to hang out with anyone who has refused the vaccine. AIBU? It’s not only because I am worried they are carrying the virus it’s also because I resent them. I think they’re being selfish and also that they think they’re better than the rest of us!

@BunnytheFriendlyDragon

I agree with you actually OP

It is selfish because there are vulnerable adults and children who cannot have the vaccine and so the rest of us having it also helps protect them

But if they have not had the vaccine, then surely the OP would be avoiding them too.

@user1471539324 but we have no LONG TERM data for this vaccine.

[quote nugget396]@user1471539324 but we have no LONG TERM data for this vaccine.[/quote]
We don’t have long term data for most new medications, but nobody bats an eyelid normally. Phase 4 is usually post- launch. How many years of vaccine data would you personally need and why?

I genuinely find it baffling that people are so frightened of the vaccine despite there being no biological reason for long term effects but we have real risk data for covid and all the long term effects it causes in high numbers.

There is no stamping out the virus at this point like we’ve seen in NZ. We should all expect that we will be exposed to the virus now at some point. And if you choose to be unvaccinated, you should expect that you will catch it at some point as it rips through the population. It would be naive to expect to dodge it looking at the current situation.

We don’t have long term data for most new medications

I don't think that's true. I don't know how it's done in the UK, but it's typical in the US for full approval to include examination of a decade or more of human tests and studies. I'm not aware of any modern vaccine being approved with less than that (not counting flu shots, which are basically the same thing with slightly different strains plugged in each year). And even then, things sometimes slip through that shouldn't. So while there's not usually 50 years' worth of data, it's usually quite a bit more than one or two years' worth.

And if you choose to be unvaccinated, you should expect that you will catch it at some point as it rips through the population.

I don't think that's necessarily true, either. It's not that hard to avoid for most who want to avoid it to do so - it's just a matter of what tradeoffs they're willing to make. But if it happens, it happens. The side effects I had from the vaccine were much worse than most covid cases for people in my risk category, so putting myself through that over and over and over again just to avoid getting covid once or twice doesn't seem like a reasonable course of action to me.

@PurpleOkapi

We don’t have long term data for most new medications

I don't think that's true. I don't know how it's done in the UK, but it's typical in the US for full approval to include examination of a decade or more of human tests and studies. I'm not aware of any modern vaccine being approved with less than that (not counting flu shots, which are basically the same thing with slightly different strains plugged in each year). And even then, things sometimes slip through that shouldn't. So while there's not usually 50 years' worth of data, it's usually quite a bit more than one or two years' worth.

And if you choose to be unvaccinated, you should expect that you will catch it at some point as it rips through the population.

I don't think that's necessarily true, either. It's not that hard to avoid for most who want to avoid it to do so - it's just a matter of what tradeoffs they're willing to make. But if it happens, it happens. The side effects I had from the vaccine were much worse than most covid cases for people in my risk category, so putting myself through that over and over and over again just to avoid getting covid once or twice doesn't seem like a reasonable course of action to me.

I work in the industry and I’m familiar with what is expected from various global regulators. Phase 4 is post marketing surveillance. I think you’re confusing the length of previous trials and approvals with what has been achieved with unlimited funding and clinical subjects. All the normal studies have been completed except they’ve been done in parallel rather than series.

It’s been shown that covid can get into any part of the population despite heavy restrictions and lockdowns so I don’t fancy the odds of staying safe once those restrictions are removed.

Again, you may have had bad side effects from the vaccine but what’s to say that you wouldn’t react the same to Covid? It’s your body’s individual immune response to that pathogen after all. Difference being that the vaccine won’t hang around whereas the virus may overwhelm you. We don’t fully understand why some people have worse side effects than others. I don’t think we should dismiss the long covid risks either,; they don’t seem to factor in when people are comparing risks.

I will personally take up any recommended vaccine program not just to protect myself, but to protect others around me. We know that vaccinated people have reduced transmission to others. I would feel uncomfortable if my vulnerable family members (chemo etc) were made to spend time with people who are unvaccinated through choice as it increases their risk.