To not want to see any adult who hasn’t had the vaccine

[Fthisshitimdone]

I don’t feel like I want to hang out with anyone who has refused the vaccine. AIBU? It’s not only because I am worried they are carrying the virus it’s also because I resent them. I think they’re being selfish and also that they think they’re better than the rest of us!

I think the studies showing that vaxxed people are less likely to catch or pass on Covid should be made into a sticky note and put on top of this forum because I am tired of hearing that the vaccine does not stop you passing it on. It greatly reduces the chances. Not eliminates, but greatly reduces. I will take that.

Meh half of my partners family are vaccinated and half arent same with mine their choice. But I do take offence slightly on behalf on my 20yr old autistic son who is in complete turmoil over the decision desperately wants to have it but has a crazy fear of needles last time he had one he passed out. If he was banned from stuff I would be very angry indeed.

@tootiredtospeak

Meh half of my partners family are vaccinated and half arent same with mine their choice. But I do take offence slightly on behalf on my 20yr old autistic son who is in complete turmoil over the decision desperately wants to have it but has a crazy fear of needles last time he had one he passed out. If he was banned from stuff I would be very angry indeed.

Phobia is why I am not getting it either. It is a recognised mental health condition, so I would hope some sort of exemption would apply.

I disagree with anti vaxxers. I'd happily be polite and chatty at a barbeque though, but I wouldn't forget they were an anti vaxxer

@NigellaSeed

I disagree with anti vaxxers. I'd happily be polite and chatty at a barbeque though, but I wouldn't forget they were an anti vaxxer

Depends on what you call an anti Vaxxer though.

Yes, there are these who believe it's a conspiracy but there are also many who don't object to vaccinations as such but are worried about side effects or have phobias surrounding needles etc. For me these are not anti vaxxers. For me they deserve to have their worries taken seriously and not be ridiculed for them.

I had the vaccine because I work with young children who have no perception of social distancing.
I've now had both jabs , and I'm glad because it's young children who are now carrying and spreading the virus.
All the local primary and secondary schools in my area have had to instruct year groups to isolate recently. It is worrying but I'm so glad that my husband and I have had both jabs as we are less likely to suffer and to spread, particularly as my husband has some serious , underlying health issues.
We were unable to visit mum as she was dying from Covid and we couldn't attend her funeral due to the distance and restrictions. ( This was in the early days.)

For these reasons, I feel that it responsible to have the vaccine, if you can.

Now that so many of us have had the vaccine , we feel safer as we feel assured that we may not suffer as much, from the virus and my husband feels safer too.
It does feel as though the vaxxers are protecting the anti-vaxxers now.
If the vaccinated are given priority over those who aren't then so be it.
I don't want to spend much time with those who have decided not to but I completely understand why some aren't medically able to have the jab.
That is different, which is why the majority should be vaccinated... to protect the vulnerable.
MMR was no different.

@Fthisshitimdone

I feel like I want them penalised. Like refused entry to everything and not allowed to travel

You're weird

I swear the world has gone absolutely bonkers. Or Covid has made the world go bonkers.

Where do you draw the line Op? Is this just the covid vaccine? Or the MMR vaccine?
What other vaccinations/ medications should become ‘essential’ or freedoms are taken away.

As an FYI, they could say non vaccinated people cannot travel abroad/ eat out etc etc and it wouldn’t change my stance on not having the vaccine.

It really worries me just how many people have had these vaccines without any questions asked. And a part of me thinks these extreme threads coming out, are a defensive mecanism to some of the news stories. Bit worrying that the vaccinated hospital admissions are outpacing the non vaccinated. That shouldn’t be happening. I’m going to spend the weekend looking for the breakdown of the age ranges of both groups.

I am double jabbed - as someone in their 50's the risk/benefit balance was worth it.

For someone younger the risk/benefit balance is likely to swing the other way - so why should they get jabbed if they don't want to.

DD who is 13 won't be having it if it's approved for teens. why should she? She's already given up most of her education over the last year and a half. Young people have really paid the price of lockdown etc and I bet the kids stuck with Narcolepsy following the swine flu jab (which was apparently safe for children) are regretting it.

One of my friends is a total anti-vaxxer - hasn't given her kids any routine jabs etc. I don't agree with her reasonings but I TOTALLY respect her right to have those opinions and would never defriend her just for that.

Bonkers to even think of doing that.

@Lucidas

I have had literally every other vaccine

Have a medal.

including yellow fever an never had a single side effect - not even a mild one.

Aka if a vaccine side effect hasn’t happened to you or someone you know it doesn’t exist. Great critical thinking skills.

Risks of yellow fever vaccine:

• severe allergic reaction, which affects about 1 in 55,000 people
• severe nervous system reaction, which affects about 1 in 125,000 people

- severe illness with organ failure, which affects about 1 in 250,000

This. I cannot believe some of the responses on this thread. It feels like a parallel universe where stupidity has prevailed. Nobody I know in real life would pronounce someone as unhinged for steering clear of unvaccinated people in a deadly pandemic. 😬

@XenoBitch

What makes you think you are so important that you are happy to have a much larger chance of having COVID and passing it on? Heaven forbid someone dares die by your actions right? Would you feel the same if you lost a sibling, both parents and a grandparent? Are we just making a big fuss about nothing

Also my sibling was only 25 years old and in very good health

YANBU

YANBU
You can be friends or not be friends with anyone for any or no reason at all
Until a few days ago, however, I would have thought that this it just a post to wind people up...
And only on MN people would post something like this.
My 'friend' proved me wrong. She actually asked one of our friends about my vaccination status and found it important to text me how we 'can't be friends anymore' until I have had my jabs
That was quite a shock to receive
I don't ask anyone about their medical history and would never base my decision to meet / not meet anyone on that
I am really sorry for people who lost their loved ones to covid (or any other illness, really)
But some of us lost loved ones to blood clots while they had ITP and my sister is currently in hospital with the same.
Also some of us were advised by our GP/consultant not to have any vaccines whatsoever.
So I actually really resent people like you who think (and are proud of it) that we should be punish for not wanting to commit suicide / seriously harm our health by having the vaccine
Oh and before you start that you don't mean people who can't have it - there don't seem to be any provisions for people in my situation if you are not under 18

[quote Maddiemademe]@XenoBitch

What makes you think you are so important that you are happy to have a much larger chance of having COVID and passing it on? Heaven forbid someone dares die by your actions right? Would you feel the same if you lost a sibling, both parents and a grandparent? Are we just making a big fuss about nothing [/quote]
I don't think I am important at all, so please don't put words in my mouth.
I can't leave my house at the moment. The only people I see are nurses. But yes, I am killing my already dead grandparents.

I am not having the vaccine due to severe needle phobia. Are you going to be sympathetic about that, or like many others, tell me to get a grip?

I am by all means a pro - vaxxer, I have had all my vaccines and intend to vaccinate my children (albeit I will space these out and not all at once, this has been proven the safest way for a childs immune system) however there are a few major points at play here:

• Firstly, herd immunity has been proven to be a redundant for well over 60 years (i'd recommend you check out some of the work by Prof D Levy of Johns Hopkins, Russel Blaylock MD & A W Hedrich to name a few). I'd be happy to elaborate further on this if anyone would like. As such, there are ample studies which scientifically prove that this concept that 'if others do not get vaccinated then it will be selfish' is hugely incorrect.

• This vaccine is still in trial, it is not comparable to common vaccines such as measles, rabies etc which have existed for many years. Most vaccines have strict measures and group studies over long periods of time which need to be met prior to being released to the general public however as a result of this being a global emergency this timeframe has not been awarded.

• I won't begin to go in to depths on mask wearing from a physiological and psychological point of view as I believe that unless you are prepared to read the evidence then you won't believe my words. I'd recommend you watch the round table discussion on public health as a starting point, all participants are well educated and well respected scientists and or professors of major universities :

thefloridachannel.org/videos/3-18-21-roundtable-discussion-on-public-health/

• We have basic rights as humans to determine what can and cannot be inserted in to our bodies, it is being debated in multiple countries as to whether or not the law will be amended to remove this or install caveats to the meaning, many countries such as Australia and Israel are currently receiving sign off to involve the military in mass vaccine roll-out programmes. These laws install our basic human rights and I am appalled that many of you do not see the implications if we lose this and what it means for future generations.

• Someones health information is classified information. No further comments.

If people are prepared to start providing me with factual science based data then I will be more than happy to step back. Bold statements such as 'People who are unvaccinated are more likely to both catch and transmit the virus and have higher viral loads' has no substance in my opinion.
Most of the information circulating is either hear-say or comes directly from the CDC ( if you have done any true research in the slightest then you will know why it is not a reliable source). If you take your information from the mainstream media then i simply will not engage in arguments here.. I'd even be happy to find you evidence that the man who invented PCR testing has come forward to say PCR testing is not sufficient for picking up covid alone and should not be relied on in its entirety. Can someone find me hard evidence to the contrary??

Amidst this chaos we are scared and trying to protect ourselves and our families so i completely understand why people take this stance however we need to take a step back and truly apply common sense again. I witnessed a man yesterday spraying the fresh air with anti bacterial spray outside an isolation facility ..... PLEASE tell me you guys see the humour in that?!

Lets start using factual based evidence from actual scientists (NOT the government) and remember the importance of fresh air, exercise, rest and good food. Covid is a virus and just because it's different to the norm is doesnt mean the above doesnt count for alot. We need to of course remain vigilant and do what is right for ourselves but if this powerful vaccine works how were told (and frees up the hospitals) then it's noones business what others do, we are all entitled to our own choices and belief systems..

There is nothing wrong with asking questions being dubious about pieces of information, caring about our bodies (especially prior to / during conception for men and women and breastfeeding) and to punish someone for doing so is ignorant. The information we receive on covid seems to change almost weekly so i just ask that people keep an open mind on everything and not attack others for not taking the same stance as yourself.

Sorry and just to add - I am not trying to be unsensitive to anyone who has either suffered as a result of covid or lost family / friends. I agree that this virus is scary and dangerous for some.
I am completely open minded to science backed research (not personal encounters as other variables come in to play) and am not trying to push that my way is right. I am simply stressing that everything has a contrasting argument and as such noone is an expert and therefore cannot dictate what another human should or shouldn't do.

You sound like a child who is throwing their toys out of the pram.

‘Well I had it so everyone else should’

I am simply stressing that everything has a contrasting argument
Hmm @astraaurelis shall I start with the Earth is not flat?

What a sad sad person you are.

How is me relying on scientific evidence for my own personal decisions anything to do with the earth being flat? I simply asked that you considered other perspectives and did not limit yourself to government fed information. It doesn't take a genius to see how unreliable the governement is.
I certainly do not have that thought nor do i believe half the stuff that comes out of these 'conspiracy theories'' including this idea of flat earth.

I am a well educated individual whose up-bring has been heavily science focused. All members of my family are scientists, psychotherapists, doctors etc. You are quite frankly what is wrong with society these days, i pity you.
As i said before, unless you are able to show me evidence then i ask that you conduct yourself as an adult and dont reply to my posts.

@Mummyford

I simply stated my points were off my research and that i was more than happy to be open to others opinions / ideas. Again, why shouldn't we be free to question and discuss points... there is nothing wrong with going against the grain and i am more than happy to back down on certain things i may have been wrong about. There is absolutely no need for any form of hostility, it is simply discussion?