To not want to see any adult who hasn’t had the vaccine

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I don’t feel like I want to hang out with anyone who has refused the vaccine. AIBU? It’s not only because I am worried they are carrying the virus it’s also because I resent them. I think they’re being selfish and also that they think they’re better than the rest of us!

So many random go’s in there, I’m not inspector Gadget.

ilovesooty

But everyone not having the vaccine will have a reason. What you mean is that their reason isn’t good enough for you. I think it’s best to be more tolerant of people.

@SupermanWithTheGreyHair

ilovesooty

But everyone not having the vaccine will have a reason. What you mean is that their reason isn’t good enough for you. I think it’s best to be more tolerant of people.

I don't feel tolerant towards certain people if I feel they're putting others at risk or hindering the tackling of the virus in society. I said I wouldn't be asking people but if someone tells me they're a vaccine refuser I think it's fine to decide I don't want anything to do with them.

I don't feel tolerant towards certain people if I feel they're putting others at risk or hindering the tackling of the virus in society. I said I wouldn't be asking people but if someone tells me they're a vaccine refuser I think it's fine to decide I don't want anything to do with them.

And that’s your choice. Not wanting this vaccine doesn’t always mean you’re anti vax. And even if they are, there’s more to a person than their views on vaccines.

I’m not having the vaccine as I don’t agree with animal testing. A lot of the people I care about have had the vaccine, imagine if I just decided I wouldn’t tolerate them anymore.

People are entitled to make decisions about their own body and have their own opinions. It doesn’t make them selfish to have a different opinion to you and it doesn’t make them feel inferior to anyone else.
Some people refuse to have their children vaccinated, although I personally don’t agree with that, it’s up to the parents and I’m sure they have very valid points and done a lot of research to come to their conclusion. They certainly aren’t refusing vaccinations because they are stupid and uneducated or selfish.
The covid vaccines are still under trial, and it’s perfectly reasonable for people to wait until they feel certain it’s what they want.
The vaccine won’t stop people getting it.
I know a few people right now who have covid and have had the vaccination.
Pregnant women and women who are having fertility investigations for example will be cautious around any new vaccine.
Get off people’s backs. Cut them all out your life if that’s what you really want, nobody gives a fuck.

OP if I had the vaccine for the benefit of others and it made me ill, would you give up your time to look after me?

No, thought not. So why are people who decide not to have the vaccine selfish (most overused word of the pandemic). Get vaccinated yourself and stop worrying about other people.

I got vaccinated for my benefit, nobody else's. And in any event, vaccine uptake in the UK is very high.

Your choice whom you hang out with.

I don't blame you.

You can't penalise people for not having a medical procedure. Can you not see how that could set a precedent to be done for procedures you might want to refuse in the future?

Get off people's backs

I'm not personally on anyone's back. I wouldn't dream of trying to influence a vaccine refuser to change their mind. Their decision would simply cause me to feel their values and mine were incompatible, and I might also consider them a risk. They can make their decision about the vaccine. I can make the decision not to have further contact with them.

ilovesooty

I’ve refused the vaccine for the reason mentioned in my last post. I’ve followed all the rules, I will continue to wear a mask to protect others. I’m a good person, I care about people (and animals). I’m loyal to my friends. I help people out if I can. But you’d judge me on refusing a vaccine. That’s a shame.

I don’t think having the vaccine or not would affect a real friendship. I’m pro vax, but got my vax late as I am pregnant and wanted to wait til the baby was more developed.

I would want to take extra precautions around people who were unvaccinated. Whether I didn’t meet them in person, or met only outside or requested a covid test - would depend on how close I was to them and their risk (including the population case rate). Everyone I’ve explained this to has understood my reasoning. I have friends that I mainly message or e-mail as life is so busy. They’re still friends. If people think I’m unreasonable and want to unfriend me due to the conditions I have on meeting them in person, then that is ok.

Last Saturday it was reported that a vaccination centre on a bus (in Brighton) was forced to postpone vaccinations due to protestors surrounding the bus and shouting about genocide.
The people who did that ARE selfish as they were preventing other people from making their own choice to take the shot.
In general though I wouldn't even bother to ask if someone had had the vaccine or not. However if they started going on about face nappies and magnets and microchips I'd steer well clear!

Unpopular opinion... OP I Agree with you.

I obviously don't want them to suffer, but I have been fully vaccinated and I still managed to catch it from my unvaccinated friend. I've taken steps to be so careful and protect myself and other people, but it clearly wasn't enough. I am very annoyed about it. She also chose not to tell me she came down with symptoms "in case I got angry with her".

I'm self-employed too so have missed out on 10 days pay until the government decide whether they want to help me!

I would want to take extra precautions around people who were unvaccinated. Whether I didn’t meet them in person, or met only outside or requested a covid test - would depend on how close I was to them and their risk (including the population case rate). Everyone I’ve explained this to has understood my reasoning.

I think that sounds absolutely fine. You get to protect yourself and accept other people’s choices. Clearly you are far too sensible for mumsnet.

@hawkehurstgang I applaude you!

I have also weighed up the risks and have come to the conclusion that the unknown side effects of a vaccine that is still being tested is greater than the risk of covid. I am young and fit and trust my immune system to do fight the virus as it would naturally. I can honestly say I have gone through all of this without getting covid and have never had flu either.
Why do people not trust their bodies? We are creating a society of people who never come into contact with germs or viruses and have poor immune systems.

@hawkehurstgang

This can't be real. You sound unhinged.

I've not had the vaccine yet because I simply want to wait for a while and see how it goes - make sure no more hideous side effects come to light. I'm just a cautious person. I've no problem with vaccines in general and myself and my children have had all others. But we (and everyone we know personally) who had covid, had extremely mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, including DH's elderly and vulnerable grandparents! Whereas a lot of people who had the vaccine have been really, really unwell.

I have had literally every other vaccine, including some that many others haven't had like yellow fever and rabies as I live abroad and travel often, and never had a single side effect - not even a mild one. So yeah, I find all these really unpleasant reactions/people being bedbound after the vaccine/women having really weird issues with their period after the vaccine/some people literally rushed to hospital/even dying to be pretty weird and scary and unlike any experience I've had with a vaccine before (and like I said, worse than my experience of actual covid).

When it comes to myself and my family, well, my family come first, and I just want to wait and see if any more side effects come to light/horrible long term effects are revealed. I read an article recently that some scientists have agreed with what I've been thinking - that for young and healthy people, the vaccine might be more risky than covid! So I am, in my opinion, being sensible and cautious.

I haven't had it yet. Doesn't mean I won't. But YAB pretty pathetic to have this attitude and to be honest it sounds like you regret having the vaccine and are a bit bitter that others chose not to? And now want them forced to have it like you felt forced, so you're all stuck in the same boat. Just how it comes across to me 🤷🏽‍♀️

I also think the 'people who haven't had the vaccine' claim is a bit pathetic and just a really weak and desperate thing to say. How is simply taking your time, doing lots of research, taking into account your own experience with covid and other people's experiences of covid and the vaccine, researching statistics and opinions of scientists etc being unintelligent whereas racing to having something stuck in your body without even thinking about it just because you're told to, and in light of the short term side effects and unknown long term risk, the behavior of a really smart person?

This exactly!!!

Those of you spouting "Their body, their choice", it's not just about them. What about cev people, those who can't be vaccinated and our currently unvaccinated children and teenagers? It's their bodies too but they have no choice and are relying on the vaccinated to protect them. Those people choosing not to get the vaccine, "just because" are inherently selfish. Obv they don't care about protecting themselves so care even less about protecting those around them.

@Bbq1

Those of you spouting "Their body, their choice", it's not just about them. What about cev people, those who can't be vaccinated and our currently unvaccinated children and teenagers? It's their bodies too but they have no choice and are relying on the vaccinated to protect them. Those people choosing not to get the vaccine, "just because" are inherently selfish. Obv they don't care about protecting themselves so care even less about protecting those around them.

Lol are we also forced to give birth and donate blood/organs/wombs?

Think about the implications here

I don’t think anyone is ever unreasonable to decline to see people they don’t want to see. So YANBU. But I also don’t think they ABU to decline the vaccine.

They aren't being forced though are they? Hardly being held down and forcibly injected. Hoping that people will do the right thing to protect others (and first and foremost themselves) by getting a vaccination is in no way comparable to forced birth and donation of blood, organs and wombs. I don't actually undeei the point you are trying to make here when nobody is talking about forcing people to be vaccinated.

@hawkehurstgang

This can't be real. You sound unhinged.

I've not had the vaccine yet because I simply want to wait for a while and see how it goes - make sure no more hideous side effects come to light. I'm just a cautious person. I've no problem with vaccines in general and myself and my children have had all others. But we (and everyone we know personally) who had covid, had extremely mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, including DH's elderly and vulnerable grandparents! Whereas a lot of people who had the vaccine have been really, really unwell.

I have had literally every other vaccine, including some that many others haven't had like yellow fever and rabies as I live abroad and travel often, and never had a single side effect - not even a mild one. So yeah, I find all these really unpleasant reactions/people being bedbound after the vaccine/women having really weird issues with their period after the vaccine/some people literally rushed to hospital/even dying to be pretty weird and scary and unlike any experience I've had with a vaccine before (and like I said, worse than my experience of actual covid).

When it comes to myself and my family, well, my family come first, and I just want to wait and see if any more side effects come to light/horrible long term effects are revealed. I read an article recently that some scientists have agreed with what I've been thinking - that for young and healthy people, the vaccine might be more risky than covid! So I am, in my opinion, being sensible and cautious.

I haven't had it yet. Doesn't mean I won't. But YAB pretty pathetic to have this attitude and to be honest it sounds like you regret having the vaccine and are a bit bitter that others chose not to? And now want them forced to have it like you felt forced, so you're all stuck in the same boat. Just how it comes across to me 🤷🏽‍♀️

I also think the 'people who haven't had the vaccine' claim is a bit pathetic and just a really weak and desperate thing to say. How is simply taking your time, doing lots of research, taking into account your own experience with covid and other people's experiences of covid and the vaccine, researching statistics and opinions of scientists etc being unintelligent whereas racing to having something stuck in your body without even thinking about it just because you're told to, and in light of the short term side effects and unknown long term risk, the behavior of a really smart person?

The second you insinuated people are NOT smart getting a vaccine for a virus that has killed almost half my immediate family and leaves me shielding for god knows when even though double vaccinated? No interest in anything you have to say. There is having your own point of view or saying disgusting things like this.

YANBU. Whatever your reasons, you are entitled to see, or not see, who you want. That's your choice.

They aren't vaccinated, that's their choice.

But we (and everyone we know personally) who had covid, had extremely mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, including DH's elderly and vulnerable grandparents!

Lucky you. I've lost friends and have many friends and family suffering badly from long Covid. I am not alone.

Please keep in mind that even if you don't want a jab, at least respect other people's safety by choosing to continue with 'hands, face, space'.

@Jaxhog

YANBU. Whatever your reasons, you are entitled to see, or not see, who you want. That's your choice.

They aren't vaccinated, that's their choice.

Absolutely. This sums it up for me. I can make my choice. They don't have to be interested in my reasons for refusing contact . They can make their choice regarding taking the vaccine. If they make a choice to refuse a vaccine I'm not largely interested in their reasons either.

@Bbq1

They aren't being forced though are they? Hardly being held down and forcibly injected. Hoping that people will do the right thing to protect others (and first and foremost themselves) by getting a vaccination is in no way comparable to forced birth and donation of blood, organs and wombs. I don't actually undeei the point you are trying to make here when nobody is talking about forcing people to be vaccinated.

Forcing vaccination is more than being physically restrained though. If covid passports come in for things like theatre/events/bars etc then more and more will feel they have no option. If employers require it, the choice is vaccine or unemployment. You may not physically be held down, but little doubt in that scenario that you are being forced.

And I do worry it's a slippery slope.