There should be no England fans at final IMO

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I cannot believe there is not more disgust at the actions of one (or more) English fan(s).

Aside from trying to cheat way to an England victory by distracting the goalkeeper during a penalty, lasers are phenomenally dangerous to eyes. The goalkeeper could have retinal damage.

I think a “lesser” nation would have been kicked out, but England won’t. But in my view the fans should be banned - there has to be consequences for criminal actions. Otherwise it will happen again.

Suspect I’ll be in the minority but it’s frankly embarrassing we have fans who do this.

I might be counting those finalists from memory on my fingers and toes though.

Germany
Italy
France
Spain
England
Czechoslovakia
Hungary
Sweden
The Netherlands
Croatia

Then for SA, it's Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay.

Missed anyone?

Like I say, I agree with you the record is impressive.
Yeah I'm not arguing with you, just enjoying the football chat

Didnt Uruguay win the first world cup?

I know shag all about football really but am a quizzer by hobby so remember stuff like that :o

Here’s the list

www.foxsports.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/history

It feels like West Germany was ages ago it was and it wasn’t

But anyway every four years and it doesn’t take long to get through the century

@PyongyangKipperbang

Didnt Uruguay win the first world cup?

I know shag all about football really but am a quizzer by hobby so remember stuff like that :o

Yes and it hosted according to the list so you have a good memory

Maybe if there was a bit less obsession with Covid and a bit more focus on security the pointer would have been found on entry into the grounds.

Yes and it hosted according to the list so you have a good memory

Ooh good bit of info to add to the mental filing cabinet, thank you!

MarshaBradyo
That just lists the winners, not the finalists, which is why I also have Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Sweden and Croatia. Don't thiiiiiink I've missed any, although I did lump West Germany and Germany together.

Although I did miss the Netherlands from the above post (if not my original list)

@Ratalie

MarshaBradyo That just lists the winners, not the finalists, which is why I also have Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Sweden and Croatia. Don't thiiiiiink I've missed any, although I did lump West Germany and Germany together.

Is that from memory?!

Greece and Denmark should be on that list.

Greece and Denmark should be on that list.
No that's the Euros, not the World Cup.

Here we go.

www.myfootballfacts.com/fifa-world-cup/fifa-all-time-world-cup/fifa-world-cup-final-matches/

Didnt miss any

I wouldn't be able to list all Euros finalists though.

So, if football is truly an international game, why do (some) England fans chant 'It's coming home!' ? I realise the annoying song from 1996 has been resurrected, and I know there is some credible claim that league football began in these isles, however, the game itself is much older than that.

Isn't the claim that football is somehow England's game rather arrogant?

Maybe what should happen is the UK puts its house in order instead of saying we aren't as bad as the ultras in Russia etc

The pic of the German child was shared widely, so clearly not a small minority, for what ever reason, folk didn't seem to be able to have any sort of empathy with her or the family.

Didn't fans boo a test event as well, even though there were only a few 1000s chosen people in the game?

Its not helped when people like Patel get involved and say taking the knee is wrong and its ok to boo, she is giving licence to poor behavior.

Though she is now a fan, so perhaps she'd like to withdraw her previous advice?

Isn't the claim that football is somehow England's game rather arrogant?

So what?

@Ratalie

Greece and Denmark should be on that list. No that's the Euros, not the World Cup.

Sorry, I misread - thought it was a Euros list.

The pic of the German child was shared widely, so clearly not a small minority, for what ever reason, folk didn't seem to be able to have any sort of empathy with her or the family

What a load of bollocks!! It was shared so widely because people were shocked by it and were sharing it with comments showing their disgust A justgiving page raised over £30,000 by fans who were disgusted and wanted to show other countries fans that we were embarrassed by it. To try and say the majority of England fans found any pleasure from that just isn't true!

@sparepantsandtoothbrush

The pic of the German child was shared widely, so clearly not a small minority, for what ever reason, folk didn't seem to be able to have any sort of empathy with her or the family

What a load of bollocks!! It was shared so widely because people were shocked by it and were sharing it with comments showing their disgust A justgiving page raised over £30,000 by fans who were disgusted and wanted to show other countries fans that we were embarrassed by it. To try and say the majority of England fans found any pleasure from that just isn't true!

Yes I agree

Is there a word to describe the irrational hatred of football? Because mumsnet is full of it atm

Is there a word to describe the irrational hatred of football? Because mumsnet is full of it atm

prejudice
/ˈprɛdʒʊdɪs/
noun
noun: prejudice; plural noun: prejudices

1.
preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.
"prejudice against people from different backgrounds"

@mrsorms

So, if football is truly an international game, why do (some) England fans chant 'It's coming home!' ? I realise the annoying song from 1996 has been resurrected, and I know there is some credible claim that league football began in these isles, however, the game itself is much older than that.

Isn't the claim that football is somehow England's game rather arrogant?

Its a song that's song on the terraces FFS

I support West Ham - we used to sing to our former Czech goalkeeper 'my name is Mikloško I come from near Moscow - not exactly geographically accurate but whom cares? its a terrace chant not a statement to be proven in a court of law

Why do I get the feeling that @mrsorms is a regular writer to Points Of View?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Lions

Unlike other football songs, the lyrics express the disappointment of being a football fan.

As explained by Baddiel and Skinner last night on The Last Leg (but I rather suspect that @mrsorms doesnt lower herself to watch something so low brow )

Its the absolute opposite of self congratulatory arrogance.

Interesting fact......it made the German charts too!!

The Britpop phenomenon was at its peak in 1996, and the Lightning Seeds were one of its leading acts, so their involvement gave the song very wide appeal. It reached number one in the singles chart, and as England progressed to the semi-finals, stadiums around the country echoed to the sound of fans singing the song after English victories over Scotland, the Netherlands and Spain. It was so popular that even other teams liked it. England faced Germany in the semi-finals, and Jürgen Klinsmann said later that the Germans were singing the song themselves on the way to the stadium, and the German team and the crowd sang the song as they paraded the trophy on the Römer balcony in Frankfurt. The single as a result even made number 49 on the German Singles Chart.[15] The song was later sung by Germany fans during their team's first appearance at the new Wembley in 2007[

The behaviour of many English fans has been a total disgrace. Let's hope they lose later today.

Is anyone actually surprised by it though? Sadly, it's exactly the behaviour I'd have expected from them.