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I know IABU in not wanting to ask for maintenance. Need some sense!

242 replies

swiftt · 06/07/2021 14:52

I’ve posted about this situation before. Back story: I have a 3 week old baby. Her dad is involved but we are not together, and we never have been. He stayed with me for 2 weeks after her birth and is currently seeing her for a few hours every other evening and more at the weekend. He works full time. I’m on maternity leave and it drops down to approx £150/week as of this month.

I asked if we could have a discussion about maintenance amounts months ago and he put it off, we argued and eventually he said we’d sort it nearer the time. Well, she’s here now and we still haven’t come to an agreement. I know I need to bring this up with him again but he has made some comments recently about money and I feel like I’m walking on eggshells when I think about bringing it up. We had a newborn photo shoot done last week and when I asked him to transfer me his half for the photos (this was agreed well in advance of doing the photo shoot) he said, ‘oh, I want a new TV. Will you pay half?’ Then said he was just joking about how he wants something and I should pay half for it. I asked him in advance if he wanted the photos done and gave him the option of saying no, so to pass that off as a joke really felt like more of a dig to me.

He’s also made other comments in the past about how unfair maintenance is etc, and I feel like I’m just anticipating an argument about him basically not wanting to give me money, even though it’s for our daughter. I said to him before that even if I don’t end up needing the money for her, I’d save it in a bank account for her. I’m not the type to go and spend it on crap for the sake of it.

He’s coming over to see her tonight and I really need to nail this conversation as I’m well aware that I’m just dragging it on and making it worse but I feel so anxious about it. For context, he has bought a couple of packs of nappies and brings some stuff in from the shops for me when he visits (had a c section so I can’t drive yet). I’ve bought anything else we’ve needed for baby since she was born and haven’t asked him to contribute.

Also very aware of how pathetic I sound in this situation. I usually don’t have issues with assertiveness but he’s really difficult to have a conversation with and I’m not feeling totally in the right headspace just yet, with dealing with a newborn, sleep deprivation and doing it mostly on my own. From my other threads, I also know this doesn’t bode well for co-parenting but I just need advice on the here and now.

Bottom line here: I feel irrationally guilty about asking for child maintenance money even though my daughter is entitled to it. How do I grow some balls?!

OP posts:
FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 07/07/2021 01:15

*self employed not unemployed 🤦🏼‍♀️

AutumnLeafDance · 07/07/2021 01:31

Try not to be so hard on yourself. You're doing your absolute best in a difficult situation. Hang in there ☺️💐

Micemakingclothes · 07/07/2021 01:36

That meal you made for him. That was food you were going to eat that would help you make milk for your child.

You have to stop doing this.

Yes, he absolutely needs frequent visits with the baby. That is in her best interests.

You don’t have to host him though. He can get himself a glass of water and you can even ask him to wash the glass before he leaves if you want.

AgentJohnson · 07/07/2021 06:23

It’s one thing after another. Sit down and write a parenting agreement because what you have now is unclear, maintenance should be a part of this agreement. I think you’re scared of this man and that dynamic will have long term negative effects, so this is the time to redress some of the imbalance.

Shoxfordian · 07/07/2021 06:28

Go to the CMS today

Don’t invite him over anymore, if he wants to see your baby he can take her out

MouldyPotato · 07/07/2021 06:37

Stop inviting him round. What a knob. You've tried to keep things civil. I am so angry for you. I'd keep a note of your conversation and the times you've had him round so he can't claim you haven't been trying. From now on he can see the baby in the park for an hour or something.

swiftt · 07/07/2021 13:17

Well, he hasn’t mentioned it since last night. I thought he’d maybe message me about it when he got home but nothing. Just off the phone to CMS options. Felt like they were really pushing the civil, have a chat to him, ask a third party to chat to him approach. I almost said yeah okay, I’ll just do that. 😬 but I said I wanted it done formally and to have the protection of it being done through them for if he fails to pay. Just waiting for an email now with the application details.

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Astraturf · 07/07/2021 13:33

Have you registered the baby yet? She's better off with your last name if you haven't and if he wants to be on the birth certificate and have parental responsibility he has to attend with you. He owes maintenance regardless of PR.

swiftt · 07/07/2021 13:39

@Astraturf she has both of our surnames and he is on the birth certificate.

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Fiddliestofsticks · 07/07/2021 13:54

Yes, CMS will push for you to do it yourself. The government dont want to be involved in making (mostly men) parents pay for their kids. They really are shambolic with getting payments from anyone who isnt a straightforward case and they very rarely use all the powers they have (charge against property, forced sale of property, removal of driving license, prison etc). They arent fit for purpose to be honest, if the case is anything but straightforward, and when (mostly women) parents call to open a case, they try to put you off.

However, if your ex is employed and paid properly through the books and income going through HMRC then they are good at getting the money as it is very simple to get a deductions of earnings order if he stops paying. The problems start is he goes self employed or starts moving jobs every few months.

I'm very glad you stuck to your guns. Get the application done and the case open. He is liable for payments once he receives communication from them.

KnobJockey · 07/07/2021 14:24

@swiftt well done you! And a massive well done on not just giving the baby his surname too. None of this can be easy, and you must have crazy emotions right now, you're doing very well to get your head around this, honestly.

MouldyPotato · 07/07/2021 14:26

Nice one! Once things settle down a bit you'll see it was the right thing to do. It's hard to stand up for yourself sometimes but well done for doing it for baby.

HotChocolateLover · 07/07/2021 14:26

YABU for not asking!!! He’s being a complete dick and this is only going to get worse. Get right on that phone and make a claim to the CMS. He’s shown his true colours now and buying the odd pack of nappies when he feels like it just doesn’t cut it. You get what you and your girl deserve and are entitled to.

SwimBaby · 07/07/2021 14:30

Well done OP.

Fiddliestofsticks · 07/07/2021 14:32

@HotChocolateLover

There is a handy little button now to "sell all" of the OP's posts. It's right there at the top of the thread and in the opening post.

Fiddliestofsticks · 07/07/2021 14:34

See all! Not sell all. Bloody phone.

HotChocolateLover · 07/07/2021 14:35

[quote Fiddliestofsticks]@HotChocolateLover

There is a handy little button now to "sell all" of the OP's posts. It's right there at the top of the thread and in the opening post.[/quote]
I’m well aware. Hope you feel big and important now.

swiftt · 07/07/2021 14:35

@Fiddliestofsticks thank you so much again for your help. I really do appreciate it.

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Fiddliestofsticks · 07/07/2021 14:36

Sorry. I assumed that if you were aware, then you'd have read her posts.

Cottonheadedninymuggins · 07/07/2021 14:38

@claralara42

Going through CMS isnt a bad thing

IT is if you can get more through a private arrangement. IT's always worth trying that first.

You have to rely on him being a decent man and putting his child above what he wants to buy a d paying it on time each week or month etc. Especially when your income decreases and you need to rely on it for your childs needs.

Definitely make it official imo, he's shown he can't play fair and seemingly doesn't see it for his daughter but as a payment for you for frivolous reasons.

Ohhyeahright · 14/07/2021 19:47

How’s it going op? I remember your posts when you were oregnant

PumpkinKlNG · 14/07/2021 19:56

You said on your last post that you was going to be co parenting with this man, you will NOT be co parenting with him, you’ve made 3 posts about him since your child has been born, less than a month old?? I predict a difficult 18 years with this man. Stop acting like a couple and cooking dinner etc, if you was never a couple why act like one now

swiftt · 14/07/2021 20:18

@Ohhyeahright not great. He found out that I’ve gone through CMS and isn’t happy. Said he thought we were sorting it ourselves. I said so did I but I hadn’t heard anything from him about it. He said I’ve only mentioned it once since she was born (maybe after he’d made me bring it up 10 times he’d have finally sorted it out? 😒). I told him I mentioned it months ago too, and at least this way they’ll calculate it fairly for him and it will actually get sorted. Now he’s pissed off that I didn’t tell him I was applying. And as usual, I feel guilty and like I need to justify it to him - even though I know I don’t! He keeps saying he would have sorted it - when? She’d have moved out by the time he did!

@PumpkinKlNG I’m under no illusions that it will be difficult. But I’m trying my best to keep things friendly. Obviously it’s not going well at the moment but that’s on him, not me.

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cptartapp · 14/07/2021 20:43

He thinks maintenance is unfair. Really? What's unfair is you saving him thousands and thousands of pounds he'd have to pay someone to do the 24/7 care of his daughter if you weren't around.
Tell him he doesn't have to pay you a penny. And ask him which half of every week he wants sole care of his DD going forward! Being half responsible and all that.
That's why he didn't mention termination. Because his life continues as before.
He's no intention of 'sorting it'. He wants his money for himself. What a great dad. He should be the one feeling guilty. Not you.

Uramaki · 14/07/2021 20:51

He's had 9+ months to show he will provide for baby financially without you having to keep on at him. He's had his chance.

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