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AIBU?

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I know IABU in not wanting to ask for maintenance. Need some sense!

242 replies

swiftt · 06/07/2021 14:52

I’ve posted about this situation before. Back story: I have a 3 week old baby. Her dad is involved but we are not together, and we never have been. He stayed with me for 2 weeks after her birth and is currently seeing her for a few hours every other evening and more at the weekend. He works full time. I’m on maternity leave and it drops down to approx £150/week as of this month.

I asked if we could have a discussion about maintenance amounts months ago and he put it off, we argued and eventually he said we’d sort it nearer the time. Well, she’s here now and we still haven’t come to an agreement. I know I need to bring this up with him again but he has made some comments recently about money and I feel like I’m walking on eggshells when I think about bringing it up. We had a newborn photo shoot done last week and when I asked him to transfer me his half for the photos (this was agreed well in advance of doing the photo shoot) he said, ‘oh, I want a new TV. Will you pay half?’ Then said he was just joking about how he wants something and I should pay half for it. I asked him in advance if he wanted the photos done and gave him the option of saying no, so to pass that off as a joke really felt like more of a dig to me.

He’s also made other comments in the past about how unfair maintenance is etc, and I feel like I’m just anticipating an argument about him basically not wanting to give me money, even though it’s for our daughter. I said to him before that even if I don’t end up needing the money for her, I’d save it in a bank account for her. I’m not the type to go and spend it on crap for the sake of it.

He’s coming over to see her tonight and I really need to nail this conversation as I’m well aware that I’m just dragging it on and making it worse but I feel so anxious about it. For context, he has bought a couple of packs of nappies and brings some stuff in from the shops for me when he visits (had a c section so I can’t drive yet). I’ve bought anything else we’ve needed for baby since she was born and haven’t asked him to contribute.

Also very aware of how pathetic I sound in this situation. I usually don’t have issues with assertiveness but he’s really difficult to have a conversation with and I’m not feeling totally in the right headspace just yet, with dealing with a newborn, sleep deprivation and doing it mostly on my own. From my other threads, I also know this doesn’t bode well for co-parenting but I just need advice on the here and now.

Bottom line here: I feel irrationally guilty about asking for child maintenance money even though my daughter is entitled to it. How do I grow some balls?!

OP posts:
Blankscreen · 06/07/2021 20:24

Op I feel sorry for you and the situation you are in.

Unless he is a very high earner CMS maintenance won't touch the sides of nursery fees etc

You have some expensive times ahead in terms of maternity leave how are you funding that?

I feel like you need to shift the dynamic as you have quite literally been left holding the baby.

It will be hard going as a single mum and the reality is that your career may suffer as a result. While he gets to swan off and keep the majority of his salary while you take the load of bringing up DD

You need to make it very clear to him the value of what you are doing.

Whilst she is tiny now would you consider him having 50/50 in the future? That way the burden/responsibility is as much his as yours. You would forgoe maintenance in the future but I think you would be financially better off

For now you have no choice but to use th CMS system to get maintenance but you need to plan for the future and he needs to start taking a shift

MaskingForIt · 06/07/2021 20:26

@QueenBee52

I am see why he’d be pissed off if he thought he was having some carefree casual sex and he suddenly finds that the OP is “accidentally” pregnant.

it's called a Condom

Until the women is saying “I’m on the pill, don’t you trust me?”
QueenBee52 · 06/07/2021 20:29

Until the women is saying “I’m on the pill, don’t you trust me?”

If he really wanted to take responsibility and not become a father or catch an STD...

CONDOM every time.

swiftt · 06/07/2021 20:31

Well, that was utterly pointless. He came over after work. Asked what I wanted for tea and I ended up making us dinner - I know, I shouldn’t but I feel rude if I don’t. He did an impressive one whole nappy change and cuddled her a bit, then said he was off home. So at that point I said that we need to figure out maintenance. He said nothing. I said, it would probably be easier if I just go through CMS. He said why would it be easier, I said because they’ll calculate a fair amount and we won’t need to talk about it. He said nothing else. Going to phone tomorrow to put a claim in.

OP posts:
swiftt · 06/07/2021 20:32

Left his bloody dish from dinner for me to wash too and didn’t even say thanks for dinner. I’m a bloody mug!

OP posts:
bigbaggyeyes · 06/07/2021 20:33

I agree Op, cms is far far easier, it means he pays the right amount and you don't have to grovel or pester him to pay. It also gets reviewed each year so if things change it gets sorted with no input from you

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/07/2021 20:33

Until the women is saying “I’m on the pill, don’t you trust me?”

FFS if they ever invent and allow the male pill no fucking way I'd trust that. Condoms every time.

And regardless of the reason, men get one chance to prevent pregnancy and women get two. That's biology's fault not women's.

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/07/2021 20:34

@swiftt

Left his bloody dish from dinner for me to wash too and didn’t even say thanks for dinner. I’m a bloody mug!
Yes you are. He won't pay you but you're feeding him and cleaning up.

Remove the handle from the side of your head and realise that he is taking money from your baby. Stealing from a little baby.

Get angry.

Kdubs1981 · 06/07/2021 20:41

You need to reframe this. It's not about you or you "asking" for money. It's about your child and what she is legally entitled to from her father. You're doing this for her.

ElephantMoth · 06/07/2021 20:50

Stop being mugged off by him, stop the contact at your house and phone CMS, believe me this was me 10 years ago and my ex tried every trick in the book not to pay, did not comply with his CMS, so now has it deducted automatically.

FrDamo · 06/07/2021 20:50

You've said it now. The Mumsnet cohort are the witnesses. You are going to put in a claim tomorrow. Stick to your guns.

Best of luck. Don't be brow beaten. Don't let him wear you down and wheedle his way out of it. Don't back down.

You got this, girl!

MadMadMadamMim · 06/07/2021 20:55

@Fiddliestofsticks

Just call CMS and let them deal with it. All you need to say to him is, "I've tried to have the conversation with you but you put it off and I get the sense that it just won't go well or fairly so we'll do it officially and then it's all fair and no one can feel like they are being badly treated".

Keep repeated that you're doing it the fair way. Dont say anything else.

This is the perfect way to do it. It's clear and concise and it's his own fault for being an utter knob about money.

His 'jokes' about you paying half for his tv are insulting when he's on a full time wage and you are looking after a child. It's not funny.

Why does he think maintenance is unfair? What is fair about expecting that other people will entirely support your child - which is presumably what he thinks should happen?

LGY1 · 06/07/2021 20:57

Please call CMS, then he can never make you feel this way again.

If anything you will realise he is paying bare minimum for his child & how that reflects on him. Not you having to feel lucky every time he chucks you a few £

QueenBee52 · 06/07/2021 20:58

@swiftt

Well, that was utterly pointless. He came over after work. Asked what I wanted for tea and I ended up making us dinner - I know, I shouldn’t but I feel rude if I don’t. He did an impressive one whole nappy change and cuddled her a bit, then said he was off home. So at that point I said that we need to figure out maintenance. He said nothing. I said, it would probably be easier if I just go through CMS. He said why would it be easier, I said because they’ll calculate a fair amount and we won’t need to talk about it. He said nothing else. Going to phone tomorrow to put a claim in.

Good in you 🎉

Thevoiceofreason2021 · 06/07/2021 21:03

You’ve just had a baby and it is natural and normal to feel vulnerable and to avoid an argument. Don’t beat yourself up about trying to avoid conflict at this time. Deep down you know he will be a dick about it. Go through CMS and when he asks why you did it just say you wanted it to be fair and above board.

QueenBee52 · 06/07/2021 21:04

Going to phone tomorrow to put a claim in

Good on you OP 🎉🥳

JLQ1020 · 06/07/2021 21:18

Go through CMS. Not only will it avoid the conversation u don't need to worry about him changing his mind, or it coming up to Christmas and he is a bit skint so can't give u some this month or whatever excuse might happen. If he is avoiding the conversation now it will happen.
Best get it sorted and legal and then it's done and dusted.

Lollypop701 · 06/07/2021 21:25

He has paid nothing for her clothes, nappies, cot, roof over her head. He bloody eats your food. But can afford a new tv…. Or is thinking of. And you feel guilty asking him to support his daughter ? Definitely post pregnancy hormones, and you need to call cms tomorrow. You can do it op!

QueenBee52 · 06/07/2021 21:47

Is anybody READING OP's update 😳

She is going to claim through CMS

cstaff · 06/07/2021 22:03

I presume your conversation with him has convinced you that CMS is the only way. Don't put off making that call tomorrow and let him know you mean business. Well done 👏 op.

PenelopeP1tstop · 06/07/2021 22:34

You're behaving like a mug yes

Stop entertaining him? Stop making dinner. You're NOT a family. Learn this hard lesson now

And don't back down on calling the CMS

Isthisit22 · 06/07/2021 22:48

@swiftt

Left his bloody dish from dinner for me to wash too and didn’t even say thanks for dinner. I’m a bloody mug!
Yes you are at the moment but you can stop being one. Stop doing anything for him. Glad you are ringing CMS. He will not pay without a fight.
TotorosCatBus · 07/07/2021 00:39

Well done OP. Please update on here after your call to CMS. Thanks

championthewonderhorse70 · 07/07/2021 01:06

He's a weird one this fella isn't he

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 07/07/2021 01:14

Just go straight to the CMS. No faffing around and waiting for empty promises to be fulfilled. It's a service there to help you. And he's right, maintenance is unfair. But not how he thinks. It's woefully low and men get away with paying fuck all especially if they're unemployed.

But don't bear about the bush - he has all the hallmarks of someone who will dodge maintenance to the bitter end.