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I know IABU in not wanting to ask for maintenance. Need some sense!

242 replies

swiftt · 06/07/2021 14:52

I’ve posted about this situation before. Back story: I have a 3 week old baby. Her dad is involved but we are not together, and we never have been. He stayed with me for 2 weeks after her birth and is currently seeing her for a few hours every other evening and more at the weekend. He works full time. I’m on maternity leave and it drops down to approx £150/week as of this month.

I asked if we could have a discussion about maintenance amounts months ago and he put it off, we argued and eventually he said we’d sort it nearer the time. Well, she’s here now and we still haven’t come to an agreement. I know I need to bring this up with him again but he has made some comments recently about money and I feel like I’m walking on eggshells when I think about bringing it up. We had a newborn photo shoot done last week and when I asked him to transfer me his half for the photos (this was agreed well in advance of doing the photo shoot) he said, ‘oh, I want a new TV. Will you pay half?’ Then said he was just joking about how he wants something and I should pay half for it. I asked him in advance if he wanted the photos done and gave him the option of saying no, so to pass that off as a joke really felt like more of a dig to me.

He’s also made other comments in the past about how unfair maintenance is etc, and I feel like I’m just anticipating an argument about him basically not wanting to give me money, even though it’s for our daughter. I said to him before that even if I don’t end up needing the money for her, I’d save it in a bank account for her. I’m not the type to go and spend it on crap for the sake of it.

He’s coming over to see her tonight and I really need to nail this conversation as I’m well aware that I’m just dragging it on and making it worse but I feel so anxious about it. For context, he has bought a couple of packs of nappies and brings some stuff in from the shops for me when he visits (had a c section so I can’t drive yet). I’ve bought anything else we’ve needed for baby since she was born and haven’t asked him to contribute.

Also very aware of how pathetic I sound in this situation. I usually don’t have issues with assertiveness but he’s really difficult to have a conversation with and I’m not feeling totally in the right headspace just yet, with dealing with a newborn, sleep deprivation and doing it mostly on my own. From my other threads, I also know this doesn’t bode well for co-parenting but I just need advice on the here and now.

Bottom line here: I feel irrationally guilty about asking for child maintenance money even though my daughter is entitled to it. How do I grow some balls?!

OP posts:
singlehun · 06/07/2021 16:41

[quote swiftt]@Fiddliestofsticks they charge him more though, don’t they? Rather than doing it direct? Again, as daft as it sounds I seem to be more concerned about the impact on him for some reason. I just hate rocking the boat and really want to keep things civil, even though I know he has to pay it. Need to give my bloody head a wobble.[/quote]
Yes they'll charge him 20% and you 4% but it sounds like if you don't go through CSA he'll lie about his income.

Take it from someone who was in your situation 15 years ago and who felt exactly the same way you do - I'm STILL going without even now and dd doesn't get what she's due. They get worse if anything.

He won't change.

Fiddliestofsticks · 06/07/2021 16:45

@Heronwatcher

Write down a list of weekly costs. Not just the bare minimum (nappies/ food) also heating, electricity, new clothes periodically. An amount for some classes, and some activities. Not extravagant just normal. Ask him to pay half on x day of the month, by direct debit. If he refuses ask him what he thinks his baby doesn’t need. If he doesn’t agree, go to CMS. If he agrees give him a couple of months and see if he pays on time. If not go to CMS. BTW he sounds like an arse. Really keeping the peace in the short term is only going to lead to massive issues. Think of him like a child for whom setting non-negotiable boundaries is essential.
Again, do not do this.

You do not need to justify why you need him to contribute. Its bloody obvious why. You dont need to make lists and beg for half. And then what? Keep doing that as she grows up? No.

It might work for some former couples who both have their children's best interests and needs at the centre of the discussion. You do not have an ex like that. He wont be reasonable or fair.

Do not make lists. Do not justify what you're spending on the child. Do not tell him that you'll save everything he gives you or show receipts for purchase or anything. Do nothing.

Call CMS and do it that way. What they calculate is a minumum. A lot of couples agree between themselves to give more or simply split costs or whatever works for them but none of that will work with this man. He will not be fair and he will not stick to any agreement you make.

Youdiditanyway · 06/07/2021 16:48

CMS sooner rather than later.

Fiddliestofsticks · 06/07/2021 16:48

@singlehun

Thats already been answered. The dont charge if they do direct pay, which is always the first step. They'll contact him with the calculated amount and payment schedule. He gets a chance to pay directly to the OP and no one is charged. He only gets charged if he refuses to pay, and then CMS need to move him to collect and pay service where they collect the money and pass it on to OP. He can avoid that by making the mandated payments when first contacted.

OurChristmasMiracle · 06/07/2021 16:57

I wouldn’t even discuss it with him. Literally just go to CMS and inform him “just so you are aware I have contacted CMS and they will be in contact with you in due course to set up maintenance payment for daughter”

swiftt · 06/07/2021 16:58

Thanks everyone. This is the kick up the arse I needed. Baby has been cluster feeding since I posted and he’ll be here any minute. I will phone CMS in the morning though as I hadn’t realised that claiming through them but still doing direct pay means I have some sort of protection if he doesn’t pay.

OP posts:
PenelopeP1tstop · 06/07/2021 17:04

Honestly - pull yourself together woman! Stop seeing him for a start and doing all the family type things like joint photo shoots. You're massively confusing the issue here - he gets to see her and that's it. Be firm with your boundaries or you'll regret it down the line

Call the CMS and get the ball rolling: tell him you've done this because it takes the need to discuss it away and you Dan both be sure it's a fair amount set by a third party: you're also protected in a way you won't be if you have a private arrangement

You sound rather taken by him still. Honestly rip off the plaster and put some distance between you or trust me on this - you'll be fucked around left right and centre

Merryoldgoat · 06/07/2021 17:06

OP - I’ve read your threads before. I’m going to be blunt.

This guy is an arsehole. You cannot expect help from him. You cannot expect support from him. He has shown you over and over he’s utterly useless and nasty.

Get him out of your life.

Get proper contact sorted, go to CMS and get him gone.

Hopefully he’ll also be too lazy to see your child and you’ll be saved thar effort.

Write down a diary, keep text messages, of all of the instances.

I suppose you’ve already put him on the birth certificate?

Merryoldgoat · 06/07/2021 17:09

@daisy46

He's the idiot that kicked off about wanting the birth certificate even though you'd paid for it. Go through official channels. He will fight and argue over every penny and then hold it over you. I know you're trying to co-parent, but he sounds like a child himself.
Oh ffs it is him, isn’t it?
Toomanyradishes · 06/07/2021 17:16

If he doesnt like it he should have sorted it out sooner instead of being awkward. Worry about your impact on him him as little as he clearly worries about his impact on you

Hollyhocksarenotmessy · 06/07/2021 17:17

Glad to see your update OP.

When he kicks off (which he will because he's an irresponsible twat) just say 'I only made 50% of this baby, of course I'm not going to pay 100% of the cost of raising him/her.' in a don't be ridiculous tone of voice. And change the subject immediately. Repeat until he shuts up. Don't even listen to his rubbish.

You need to work on absorbing that message too.

PicaK · 06/07/2021 17:19

Send him the link to the calculator.
Say you need to know his salary after pension taken off to put in to it.
Suggest he has overnights from x date (eg 12 months or when she stops feedfing at night) so full time with you atm.
You want it doing my end of week and paid by mid month
If he does it - fine.
If he quibbles then straight to cms

This is his contribution to the costs of bringing her up. His share of lighting, heating, council tax all the boring bills involved in providing a roof over her head.

MadeForThis · 06/07/2021 17:21

I would just tell him that the cms amount is xx he is more than welcome to contribute more if he wants to better support his child.

Cms will be in touch.

dextermorgan00 · 06/07/2021 17:24

Let us know how Convo goes good luck

TotorosCatBus · 06/07/2021 18:07

You need to let go of the dream of co-parenting in a respectful way. I'm not saying withhold contact, I mean just claim CMS and if he kicks off say that they will make sure that the amount he pays is fair and he's not "scammed" by you. Life isn't going to stand still while he tries to prolong being financially responsible.

Do not give him a list of your costs. That gives him ammunition to criticize you and you don't need him telling you how to save your money or whatever. It's none of his business what so ever how you spend your money and maintenance.

If he's the nasty type then he may try and get a Child Arrangement Order because he thinks he'll piss you off. Your child is a breastfed baby so don't worry - he won't get overnights etc Once he realises that having her at his house means he'll have to get a cot, buggy, car seat etc he may change his tune!

With stuff like newborn photoshoots, it's fine to mention but don't go halves next time. If he would like photos then he can arrange his own photo shoot at his cost. He's proven that he doesn't want harmonious co-parenting and this kind of thing isn't going to benefit your baby so don't fall into the same trap as this time.

Oldraver · 06/07/2021 18:46

Look you keep on posting about this fuckwit of a man and the runaround he's giving you. Tell him you want money immediately or you will get CMA to sort it

Willyoujustbequiet · 06/07/2021 19:14

He will lie about his income. Most of them do

Do the right thing by your dc and use CMS.

letmethinkaboutitfornow · 06/07/2021 19:37

@swiftt - did he want the baby? Or was it more of your decision?

QueenBee52 · 06/07/2021 19:40

@FrDamo

You care about the impact on him?

He doesn't give a flying fuck about the impact on you!

By all means try to have the conversation with him one last time. Don't mention you are considering the CMS. HE WILL FOB YOU OFF, one way or another. Then you'll know where you stand.

The you MUST MUST MUST go through the CMS. Don't warn, don't explain. Do what's right for you and your child.

spot on 🎉

Hollyhocksarenotmessy · 06/07/2021 19:45

[quote letmethinkaboutitfornow]@swiftt - did he want the baby? Or was it more of your decision?[/quote]
He was there having sex. His sperm. If he really didn't want a baby, he should have done something about it then. Or not had sex. Wanking is free. Babies aren't.

Travis1 · 06/07/2021 19:47

@letmethinkaboutitfornow why is that relevant? 🤔

MaskingForIt · 06/07/2021 20:03

[quote Travis1]@letmethinkaboutitfornow why is that relevant? 🤔[/quote]
I am see why he’d be pissed off if he thought he was having some carefree casual sex and he suddenly finds that the OP is “accidentally” pregnant.

swiftt · 06/07/2021 20:06

@letmethinkaboutitfornow the pregnancy wasn’t planned but we both wanted to keep the baby. He didn’t push for an abortion or even mention it at all actually, if that’s why you’re asking. I didn’t decide I was keeping the baby whilst he didn’t want to or anything like that. He was actually excited about it, more so than I was throughout the pregnancy.

OP posts:
QueenBee52 · 06/07/2021 20:09

I am see why he’d be pissed off if he thought he was having some carefree casual sex and he suddenly finds that the OP is “accidentally” pregnant.

it's called a Condom

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/07/2021 20:10

[quote letmethinkaboutitfornow]@swiftt - did he want the baby? Or was it more of your decision?[/quote]
DH wanted DD much more than I did at conception.

Does that means I don't have to care for or support her? Because I feel like that's not true.