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Grandma using school to get around low contact

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CrunchyApple3 · 04/07/2021 23:35

To be frank, I don't have a great relationship with my Mum. She's always behaved like she has this weird obsession with my life and that she's entitled to know everything about it. When I was a child living at home, this caused me no end of grief - I couldn't keep a diary, get mail without her opening it, or get changed after a shower without her barging into my room and trying to look at me naked. She would constantly criticise me and try to shame me, I grew up with massive confidence issues from listening to her negative comments about my body. There was some physical abuse too when I was very, very young but the mental stuff was far more damaging to me.

I'm a private person and I don't care for anyone, let alone my nosy Mum to know every detail of my life, and once I left home and started to assert my personal autonomy this caused her to get way more obsessive. The less I shared with her, the more she pushed. Once she even broke into my house while I was on holidays and went through my bedroom, then tried to claim that she was "only try to help" by cleaning it for me while I was away. I was 32 years old at that point! This was the trigger I needed to really set down some boundaries with her and not put up with her crazy anymore.

These have mostly worked and given me some space and peace of mind. While Mum stopped coming to my house whenever she felt like it, she is too proud to outright ask me if I'm up for a visitor, so instead she just does weird things like comes to my house (unannounced, still) and leaves things in my driveway for me to find later. It's bizarre as heck but it's like she's doing it just to have a little power flex? I don't know but I just let it be because pick your battles, I suppose?

I have an 8 year old who is in school. I have continued to keep my mother at arm's length, because over the years she's demonstrated to me that she's not a safe person for my kid to be around. Mum has never been left alone with my daughter, she's never babysat her or had her sleepover. Putting aside the fact that I don't trust her, Mum has some medical conditions that limit her mobility and physical strength. If there was some kind of emergency, I don't think she'd be able to react quickly. So my kid sees grandma once every 2-3 months or so - my partner and I will invite grandma over for dinner or we'll go out for lunch somewhere. The last time we had lunch together, Mum started talking about my daughter's school and asking whether they needed volunteers for the canteen. I told her that it was quite physical work involving needing to lift heavy trays of food out of the oven and that you need to be on your feet for most of the day, so not to worry about it. I wasn't bullshitting her, and she lives an hour away from us so I thought that would be the end of it.

But no, about a fortnight ago I got a message in the school p&c group chat welcoming their newest canteen volunteer - my mother. So I went to the school and spoke to the office staff and canteen manager, and warned them that my daughter was not to be taken out of class by my mother and not to be left alone with her, or allowed to be picked up by her after school. The school said they understood, and they'd send an email out to the teachers to get the message out.

About a week later, I received a phone call from the school principal to let me know that after my Mum's first canteen shift, she'd shown up at the office asking to have my daughter come out of class and see her. The staff member told her that they don't like to interrupt the kid's breaks and Mum left, and the principal said "I don't think she was very happy about it". I thanked her for letting me know and asked to pass along my thanks to the staff members as well.

I am just so tired of my Mum trying to push her way into my life, and trying to do it in ways where she can claim plausible deniability and pretend she's "just trying to help!" and make me out to be unreasonable. AIBU?? I've never told my daughter why she is never left alone with her grandma or babysat etc but maybe it would be reasonable to do so now?

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 05/07/2021 14:42

@AbsolutelyPatsy

we dont know the age of the dm looking at her daughter naked
Well - the OP was old enough to be showering alone, drying herself and dressing herself, so old enough to want and deserve some privacy from her mum.
PerciphonePuma · 05/07/2021 14:42

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Sbsh · 05/07/2021 14:45

If your reading comprehension was up to par, then you'd already know that's not what I'm doing.

If yours was up to par you would see op says she was also physically abusive and I think op knows better than you what happened in her life, but crack on with pretending you know better than her and minimising her abuse. Hmm

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CallmeHendricks · 05/07/2021 14:47

Batshit crazy, and she was bang out of order asking to see your dd during school time. Thank goodness the school shut it down.

But all that aside, I've never heard of canteen volunteers. I thought it was all paid roles?

MarianneUnfaithful · 05/07/2021 14:47

The posts of @PerciphonePuma et al are exactly why people who have been abused find it hard think they will be believed, to see the abuse, and rescue themselves.

The OP does not have to pass some made up test of truthfulness to satisfy you, or meet some made up threshold that you randomly decide could statutes abuse, and you have no right to jump to the conclusion that when she says she was physically abused, mocked, allowed no privacy in bathroom or toilet and had her house broken into that it was some single argument and that the OP is not truthful.

Shame on you.

DifferentHair · 05/07/2021 14:48

OP, I apologise for @PerciphonePuma and anyone else who has inexplicably come to this thread, read your account and decided they are entitled to undermine your own recollections and experiences, and question your entirely reasonable boundaries.

You have been through a lot, and you have come out the other side a strong person who is ready and able to protect their child.

Trust your instincts. Don't listen to the people telling you to blur your boundaries yet again. You know exactly where that will get you.

MarianneUnfaithful · 05/07/2021 14:50

@PerciphonePuma

There two side to every story. That's a universal fact we're all aware of and this is one where I'd be interested to see the other side's version, that's all I'm saying!
And do you say the same about rape? Domestic violence? When a woman says she has been beaten by her DH?
SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 05/07/2021 14:50

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DifferentHair · 05/07/2021 14:51

@PerciphonePuma

'Two sides to every story'

Yes the axe and the tree would give very different accounts. Hmm

OP is the parent. Her 'side' prevails in this instance.

Idontgiveagriffindamn · 05/07/2021 14:51

@PerciphonePuma

There two side to every story. That's a universal fact we're all aware of and this is one where I'd be interested to see the other side's version, that's all I'm saying!
Does it actually matter if the OP has blown what happened in her childhood out of proportion. She clearly feels she had an unhappy childhood. There is no need to involve someone in your child’s life that you don’t trust and made you unhappy.
slashlover · 05/07/2021 14:51

Her Mum barged in when she was getting dressed after a shower once - has been communicated by OP, as "she barged in to stare at me naked"

Can you please quote me where OP says it was once?

She says I couldn't keep a diary, get mail without her opening it, or get changed after a shower without her barging into my room and trying to look at me naked.

For a start it would have been nice to have been able to change a tampon in peace! Or not have to listen to her making fun of the size of my breasts!

Which heavily suggests it was more than once.

I think the truth is, that the mum had a key.

Now you're just making stuff up. Also, please say which of the OPs comments suggest this?

Don't you dare accuse me of apologizing for abuse! If your reading comprehension was up to par, then you'd already know that's not what I'm doing. I'm suggesting OP has blown a few things up in her mind.

You are making stuff up to justify accusing the OP of lying. Nice.

MaggieFS · 05/07/2021 14:53

I agree with pp that the school are on the case and leave it to them, but I would follow up in writing to ensure it's documented.

Oswin · 05/07/2021 14:54

@PerciphonePuma

There two side to every story. That's a universal fact we're all aware of and this is one where I'd be interested to see the other side's version, that's all I'm saying!
Oh this is such bullshit. It is absolutely abusive the way she treated the OP. OP said upthread the mother would mock the ops body after bursting in on her naked. You have decided it's a different situation with no evidence at all. Are your children allowed no privacy? Because I cannot see how any normal person can read the ops posts and behave like you.
EKGEMS · 05/07/2021 14:54

@CrunchyApple3 I'm very sorry you've had to experience this insanity from your mother. I think you are really impressive setting boundaries to protect your daughter. Please ignore the court jester on here questioning the validity of your experiences.

RevolvingPivot · 05/07/2021 14:56

Maybe you should let her see her granddaughter more. By all means if you dd is hurt or upset by her then stop contact. Has she given you any concern over your dd? Often mums make much better grandmas.

Oswin · 05/07/2021 14:59

@RevolvingPivot

Maybe you should let her see her granddaughter more. By all means if you dd is hurt or upset by her then stop contact. Has she given you any concern over your dd? Often mums make much better grandmas.
Because she is an abuser. She allowed one boundaries or privacy as a child and is now doing the same.
EKGEMS · 05/07/2021 14:59

@RevolvingPivot Why do you think a woman who has abused her daughter so much deserves to see her granddaughter more? The volunteering at her school as a means to see her granddaughter is perfect evidence that she hasn't changed her manipulative behavior. She'll trample over her daughter to get to her granddaughter-that's not behavior worthy of earning time with her granddaughter-that's a perfect reason to go 100% no contact

slashlover · 05/07/2021 15:01

@RevolvingPivot

Maybe you should let her see her granddaughter more. By all means if you dd is hurt or upset by her then stop contact. Has she given you any concern over your dd? Often mums make much better grandmas.
If someone physically attacked you as a child, would you give them access to your children?
slashlover · 05/07/2021 15:02

By all means if you dd is hurt or upset by her then stop contact.

Also, if DD is hurt or upset then it could possibly be too late.

ThursdayWeld · 05/07/2021 15:06

Give it time. The more she pulls things like this, the sooner the school will explain that her efforts are not needed.

DifferentHair · 05/07/2021 15:11

@RevolvingPivot

Do you often throw your children into the path of abusive people?

OP's moral duty is to protect her child. Not to furnish a grown woman with unlimited chances to improve on her toxic behaviour. That's before we even consider how ridiculous the prospect of the mother improving herself is given there is not only complete lack of insight, growth or respect on the part of the mother- but further current examples of the same bizarre boundary stomping behaviours happening right now.

On what possible basis is OP meant to delude herself that her mother will be a better grandmother than mother?! She would have to ignore all the actual things that have happened and put her faith in the prospect of an extremely unlikely thing that might come true.

I don't know what those odds are but I wouldn't bet a pound on it, let alone my children's emotional health.

AnotherEmma · 05/07/2021 15:12

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NeonDreams · 05/07/2021 15:13

@PerciphonePuma You're either the Psycho Grandma, or you have abused your child in the same way and clearly think you did nothing wrong. Instead of suggesting the OP 'exaggerated' things, how about this: BELIEVE WOMEN WHEN THEY TELL YOU THEIR STORY.