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Grandma using school to get around low contact

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CrunchyApple3 · 04/07/2021 23:35

To be frank, I don't have a great relationship with my Mum. She's always behaved like she has this weird obsession with my life and that she's entitled to know everything about it. When I was a child living at home, this caused me no end of grief - I couldn't keep a diary, get mail without her opening it, or get changed after a shower without her barging into my room and trying to look at me naked. She would constantly criticise me and try to shame me, I grew up with massive confidence issues from listening to her negative comments about my body. There was some physical abuse too when I was very, very young but the mental stuff was far more damaging to me.

I'm a private person and I don't care for anyone, let alone my nosy Mum to know every detail of my life, and once I left home and started to assert my personal autonomy this caused her to get way more obsessive. The less I shared with her, the more she pushed. Once she even broke into my house while I was on holidays and went through my bedroom, then tried to claim that she was "only try to help" by cleaning it for me while I was away. I was 32 years old at that point! This was the trigger I needed to really set down some boundaries with her and not put up with her crazy anymore.

These have mostly worked and given me some space and peace of mind. While Mum stopped coming to my house whenever she felt like it, she is too proud to outright ask me if I'm up for a visitor, so instead she just does weird things like comes to my house (unannounced, still) and leaves things in my driveway for me to find later. It's bizarre as heck but it's like she's doing it just to have a little power flex? I don't know but I just let it be because pick your battles, I suppose?

I have an 8 year old who is in school. I have continued to keep my mother at arm's length, because over the years she's demonstrated to me that she's not a safe person for my kid to be around. Mum has never been left alone with my daughter, she's never babysat her or had her sleepover. Putting aside the fact that I don't trust her, Mum has some medical conditions that limit her mobility and physical strength. If there was some kind of emergency, I don't think she'd be able to react quickly. So my kid sees grandma once every 2-3 months or so - my partner and I will invite grandma over for dinner or we'll go out for lunch somewhere. The last time we had lunch together, Mum started talking about my daughter's school and asking whether they needed volunteers for the canteen. I told her that it was quite physical work involving needing to lift heavy trays of food out of the oven and that you need to be on your feet for most of the day, so not to worry about it. I wasn't bullshitting her, and she lives an hour away from us so I thought that would be the end of it.

But no, about a fortnight ago I got a message in the school p&c group chat welcoming their newest canteen volunteer - my mother. So I went to the school and spoke to the office staff and canteen manager, and warned them that my daughter was not to be taken out of class by my mother and not to be left alone with her, or allowed to be picked up by her after school. The school said they understood, and they'd send an email out to the teachers to get the message out.

About a week later, I received a phone call from the school principal to let me know that after my Mum's first canteen shift, she'd shown up at the office asking to have my daughter come out of class and see her. The staff member told her that they don't like to interrupt the kid's breaks and Mum left, and the principal said "I don't think she was very happy about it". I thanked her for letting me know and asked to pass along my thanks to the staff members as well.

I am just so tired of my Mum trying to push her way into my life, and trying to do it in ways where she can claim plausible deniability and pretend she's "just trying to help!" and make me out to be unreasonable. AIBU?? I've never told my daughter why she is never left alone with her grandma or babysat etc but maybe it would be reasonable to do so now?

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mybrainhertz · 05/07/2021 11:46

Hassle the school until they sack her. Make sure they know she's manipulative and is a mental abuser.

Crispynoodle · 05/07/2021 12:05

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billy1966 · 05/07/2021 12:07

OP,

If you would rather go NC, then I think you should.

She adds nothing to your lives.

Do not be embarrassed with the school, you have NOTHING to be embarrassed about.

The school have to adhere to your wishes so you need to make it very clear how unstable she is.

She broke into your home OP, that is batshit territory.

Flowers
DifferentHair · 05/07/2021 12:14

@Crispynoodle 'yes she's crazy but all mums get crazy sometimes'

....

I'm a mum. I've never broken in on someone in the shower. Never read their diary. Never been violent.

Being a mum doesn't give you a license to ignore entourage adult child's boundaries and do what the fuck you want.

o8T8o · 05/07/2021 12:17

She sounds dreadful, personality disordered, she's like your stalker 😳
I would try to quietly and gradually cut her out

LonginesPrime · 05/07/2021 12:20

yes she's crazy but all mums get crazy at times

Crispynoodle, do you consider OP's mother's behaviour normal, then?

Sbsh · 05/07/2021 12:23

yes she's crazy but all mums get crazy at times
She's abusive.

What's with all the abuse apologists on this thread.
She's not just done one whacky thing that can be dismissed as doing something all mum's do. She's been abusive to op as a child an an adult.

Thehop · 05/07/2021 12:28

Oh my god OP your childhood mum is MY childhood mum.

We’re now NC. Best thing I ever did.

ComDummings · 05/07/2021 12:31

I actually can’t believe the people on here trying to justify the behaviour of OPs abusive mother. It’s astonishing.

MarianneUnfaithful · 05/07/2021 12:33

It isn’t‘bordering on stalking’ it IS stalking.

Stalkers never have their target’s interest at heart.

Concerned, helpful grandparents who feel sad about no children tact do not break in to people’s houses.

She is prepared to act illegally to satisfy her obsession. Breaking into slicked house without the owner’s permission is no less illegal because they are a relative.

She is not rational, loving or even prepared to act within the law.

She is a significant risk.

slashlover · 05/07/2021 12:49

yes she's crazy but all mums get crazy at times

@Crispynoodle Do you think it's acceptable for OPs mum to break into her house and go through her bedroom? Surely that's not "crazy" but an actual criminal act?

Hobnobswantshernameback · 05/07/2021 13:06

Dear god the abuse apologist cunts are out in force
Op you have my sympathy
I haven't seen my mum in years
She destroyed my self esteem and when I could see her starting on my children I finally said enough
I'm so much happier
And I have had people like some on this thread say to me that I'm the horrible one
Unless you have someone like my mother in your life you will never truly understand but fuck sake empathy costs nothing

KateTheEighth · 05/07/2021 13:11

I don't think your mother will be there much longer, it's a safeguarding issue. Sounds like the school are on it.

Just watch out for an increase in harrassment from her if the school do let her go.

Idontgiveagriffindamn · 05/07/2021 13:49

@LizJamIsFab

I’d leave school to manage your Mum.

I think only allowing her to see her grandchild once every 2-3 months at a meal (when more is possible) is quite harsh. I get that you want to treat her harshly but it’s blocking a close relationship.

Why did your Mum get involved/ worry about your body? I’m not saying her behaviour was good, but why did she do it? Can people never accept the past and move on? Being physically weak is not a reason not to be able to look after an 8 year old.

If I grew up feeling (rightly or wrongly) that I had been abused then I wouldn’t be facilitating any relationship between my child and parent. You don’t automatically have the right to be a grandparent you earn that through being a good parent. The OP is being more than generous with the regular lunches
C0RINNA · 05/07/2021 14:03

@Crispynoodle

Devil's advocate: When Granny was a young mum it was entirely normal for their daughters to rely on their parents to help out ALL the time. Their 'reward' was a close relationship with their grand children. She feels you have cut her off and doesn't understand why (yes she's crazy but all mums get crazy at times- she'll be thinking 'can't wait for her children to grow up and call her crazy and cut her off'). It's entirely possible your behaviour (you're allowed to see the children mum once every 3 months!) is very strange to your mum! She might have taken the job because she's desperate to see her grand child some more.
Abusers don’t need a devils advocate. The devil is on their side already and he doesn’t need your help @Crispynoodle.

If you want to debate a topical issue then there are plenty other threads on MN. Or perhaps even join a debating club.

This isn’t a theoretical discussion about some principle. It’s about a real child and her vulnerable mother who is struggling to keep her safe.

bringincrazyback · 05/07/2021 14:12

@Crispynoodle

Devil's advocate: When Granny was a young mum it was entirely normal for their daughters to rely on their parents to help out ALL the time. Their 'reward' was a close relationship with their grand children. She feels you have cut her off and doesn't understand why (yes she's crazy but all mums get crazy at times- she'll be thinking 'can't wait for her children to grow up and call her crazy and cut her off'). It's entirely possible your behaviour (you're allowed to see the children mum once every 3 months!) is very strange to your mum! She might have taken the job because she's desperate to see her grand child some more.
You're describing norms that balanced, mentally healthy people might live their lives by, if they so choose.

OP's mum is not a balanced or mentally healthy person. She is a toxic abuser.

Given the details the OP has supplied, do you really not see why she has concerns about her daughter being around her mother?

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DismantledKing · 05/07/2021 14:40

PerciphonePuma

I’m sure the OP knows her own history better than you. Stop trying to justify abuse and stop being a loon.

DismantledKing · 05/07/2021 14:41

@PerciphonePuma

Although her behaviour is a little odd, it sounds like she's just trying to spend time with her grand child.... Your daughter has a right to know her Grandma!
Not if ‘grandma’ is nuts and abusive.