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Grandma using school to get around low contact

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CrunchyApple3 · 04/07/2021 23:35

To be frank, I don't have a great relationship with my Mum. She's always behaved like she has this weird obsession with my life and that she's entitled to know everything about it. When I was a child living at home, this caused me no end of grief - I couldn't keep a diary, get mail without her opening it, or get changed after a shower without her barging into my room and trying to look at me naked. She would constantly criticise me and try to shame me, I grew up with massive confidence issues from listening to her negative comments about my body. There was some physical abuse too when I was very, very young but the mental stuff was far more damaging to me.

I'm a private person and I don't care for anyone, let alone my nosy Mum to know every detail of my life, and once I left home and started to assert my personal autonomy this caused her to get way more obsessive. The less I shared with her, the more she pushed. Once she even broke into my house while I was on holidays and went through my bedroom, then tried to claim that she was "only try to help" by cleaning it for me while I was away. I was 32 years old at that point! This was the trigger I needed to really set down some boundaries with her and not put up with her crazy anymore.

These have mostly worked and given me some space and peace of mind. While Mum stopped coming to my house whenever she felt like it, she is too proud to outright ask me if I'm up for a visitor, so instead she just does weird things like comes to my house (unannounced, still) and leaves things in my driveway for me to find later. It's bizarre as heck but it's like she's doing it just to have a little power flex? I don't know but I just let it be because pick your battles, I suppose?

I have an 8 year old who is in school. I have continued to keep my mother at arm's length, because over the years she's demonstrated to me that she's not a safe person for my kid to be around. Mum has never been left alone with my daughter, she's never babysat her or had her sleepover. Putting aside the fact that I don't trust her, Mum has some medical conditions that limit her mobility and physical strength. If there was some kind of emergency, I don't think she'd be able to react quickly. So my kid sees grandma once every 2-3 months or so - my partner and I will invite grandma over for dinner or we'll go out for lunch somewhere. The last time we had lunch together, Mum started talking about my daughter's school and asking whether they needed volunteers for the canteen. I told her that it was quite physical work involving needing to lift heavy trays of food out of the oven and that you need to be on your feet for most of the day, so not to worry about it. I wasn't bullshitting her, and she lives an hour away from us so I thought that would be the end of it.

But no, about a fortnight ago I got a message in the school p&c group chat welcoming their newest canteen volunteer - my mother. So I went to the school and spoke to the office staff and canteen manager, and warned them that my daughter was not to be taken out of class by my mother and not to be left alone with her, or allowed to be picked up by her after school. The school said they understood, and they'd send an email out to the teachers to get the message out.

About a week later, I received a phone call from the school principal to let me know that after my Mum's first canteen shift, she'd shown up at the office asking to have my daughter come out of class and see her. The staff member told her that they don't like to interrupt the kid's breaks and Mum left, and the principal said "I don't think she was very happy about it". I thanked her for letting me know and asked to pass along my thanks to the staff members as well.

I am just so tired of my Mum trying to push her way into my life, and trying to do it in ways where she can claim plausible deniability and pretend she's "just trying to help!" and make me out to be unreasonable. AIBU?? I've never told my daughter why she is never left alone with her grandma or babysat etc but maybe it would be reasonable to do so now?

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Mummyoflittledragon · 05/07/2021 06:53

This is not embarrassing. Honestly. The only person embarrassing themselves is your mother. Please contact the school and discuss the situation with the safeguarding lead / head. Your mother is not to have any contact with your child. Right now she only has limited, supervised contact with your dd as you cannot trust her around your child.

And make sure everyone knows she is not allowed to collect your dd after school. This would be my fear. I hope this takes you over the edge to try out no contact with your mother. This is crazy territory.

SnackSizeRaisin · 05/07/2021 06:55

Sounds like you should stop seeing her and get a restraining order. This is stalker behaviour. I think you don't see it as you are used to it, but imagine this was an unrelated man breaking in to your bedroom and manipulating their way into your daughter's life

Idontgiveagriffindamn · 05/07/2021 06:55

You’re definitely not being unreasonable.
I wouldn’t speak to her at all. Any communication with her about this will know she’s have gotten to you and will only spur her on. So don’t give her the satisfaction.
Instead I’d do what some of the others have suggested and follow it up with school. Make it clear that she is to have no contact with your daughter at school. Without that she’ll get fed up and leave or asked to leave if she oversteps. But then although she may have suspicions she can’t actually tie it back to you as you’ve not spoken with her about it.
Good luck

TimeForTeaAndG · 05/07/2021 06:56

@RedHelenB

I think on the face of it you are now turning into the controlling one. What actual harm to your child would be caused if she was ever alone with her gran? of course children shouldn't be coming out of classto see friends/ family that work there
What harm to be alone with a woman who has no boundaries, criticises and body shames? Are you serious?
TheBrynGhost · 05/07/2021 07:06

Being as you have contacted the school about this and she has asked to take your DD out of school too, the school should have dispensed with her services.

She overstepped when asking to have one to one with your DD. I'm shocked the school have done nothing about this.

I would be moving far far away.

CovidCorvid · 05/07/2021 07:07

When my mum was alive she used to body shame everyone. I think it's the one thing which nasty people know will really hurt. She'd make comments to dd about other people which wasn't healthy for dd to hear. Told dd one of her uncles was so fat he'd get diabetes and die. Problem is your mum will be able to make such comments if she passes your dd in the corridor. Or start guilt tripping her about how she doesn't see her enough.

Anycrispsleft · 05/07/2021 07:09

I would knock your lunch invitations to your mother on the head right now, for one thing. And I think that you could start sharing with your daughter a bit of information about what your mother is really like. My kids are 9 and my mother is similar to yours. For the past year or so I've been a bit more honest in answering questions about my everyday life when I was their age - things like say birthdays or having friends over, I've just been telling them how it was and trying to explain that their gran didn't like my friends, she wanted to choose my clothes etc. Stuff that they can relate to because these are the big things in their everyday lives. I don't tell then what to think of her - they draw their own conclusions. And I don't offer information unless I'm asked.

I know some people feel strongly that it's not our place to share this sort of information, that we should be neutral in order not to turn our kids against their grandparents. I strongly disagree with that idea. I think my mother is a danger to my kids. I warn them about other dangers, so why would I lie to them and pretend their gran is a lovely woman with their best interests at heart?

AbsolutelyPatsy · 05/07/2021 07:20

posters are imo going ott.
she was a nosey mother,
that is not a crime.
we dont know why she tried to look at her naked daughter, perhaps there was concern that the op has not told us.

ViewFromHalfway · 05/07/2021 07:22

@RedHelenB

I think on the face of it you are now turning into the controlling one. What actual harm to your child would be caused if she was ever alone with her gran? of course children shouldn't be coming out of classto see friends/ family that work there
What harm could be caused by leaving a child alone with a woman who physically abused OP as a child and has continued to emotionally abuse her throughout her life?? Seriously??
DDIJ · 05/07/2021 07:23

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BunnyRuddington · 05/07/2021 07:25

I've just read your last update OP.

Making out that you are the problem is classic abuser behaviour.

I think that you need to have a good thing about your boundaries and why you still see her.

DDIJ · 05/07/2021 07:26

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AbsolutelyPatsy · 05/07/2021 07:27

there is your relationship which is separate from this.
she wants involvement
i can understand your hesitation.
can you give more contact on your terms?

AbsolutelyPatsy · 05/07/2021 07:27

we dont know the age of the dm looking at her daughter naked

Bellringer · 05/07/2021 07:34

What 'any crisps' said. Knowledge is power, protect your child. You know you are right

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 05/07/2021 07:37

Id be investigating a restraining order or whatever theyre called and reporting the stalking to the police.

BusyLizzie61 · 05/07/2021 07:42

@CrunchyApple3
I cannot work out what exactly it is, that makes you believe that she's a risk to your child?

PinkLilyPinkRose · 05/07/2021 07:45

You don’t need to engage with your mum about this issue. That’s probably part of what she wants.

I would tell the school the complete story, including the abuse suffered as a child, continued mental abuse, turning up unannounced at your home. You don’t need to go into huge detail or share your feelings, other than to say that you keep her away from your daughter for this reason. You say you feel embarrassed discussing this with the school but unfortunately, this type of thing isn’t as unusual as you might think. They will appreciate your honesty. Let them deal with it from there.

EssentialHummus · 05/07/2021 07:46

Be very very clear with the school, perhaps in a meeting with a written follow up, about your mother’s emotional and physical abuse to you and how you have very limited contact as a result. Explain how limited her contact is (and should be) with DD.

I wouldn’t mention it to your mother at all. I have a version of this kind of mother and talking to them, reasoning, explaining, never works. The only response they can ever come up with is either gaslighting or waterworks.

Sbsh · 05/07/2021 07:46

[quote BusyLizzie61]@CrunchyApple3
I cannot work out what exactly it is, that makes you believe that she's a risk to your child?[/quote]
She abused op. She's now taking bat shit measures to access her daughter. That's so many red flags

orangejuicer · 05/07/2021 07:47

Controlling, abusive, obsessive - and happy to break into OP's house?

You can't be serious Busy.

BunnyRuddington · 05/07/2021 07:48

I cannot work out what exactly it is, that makes you believe that she's a risk to your child?

It's really difficult to understand why she would want to keep the GM away isn't it.

Could it be the years of emotional abuse?

The minimising of her behaviour?

The lack of boundaries?

Roselilly36 · 05/07/2021 07:48

YANBU OP, your mum sounds like she has some MH issues. I don’t expect she will be working at the school for long if she is not getting her own way there. I think you are wise keeping things distant. Fortunately many people have lovely mums, and cannot relate to how some mums can be very abusive and emotionally controlling.

DDIJ · 05/07/2021 07:49

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BigasdaB · 05/07/2021 07:49

On another note the book wordery.com/mothers-who-cant-love-dr-susan-forward-9780062204363/GB?currency=GBP&gtrck=true&gclid=CjwKCAjwuIWHBhBDEiwACXQYsQ8KaVsih1qUg_f_qNrRM_Rw42-NV_tbzwXjt-CHsTwTmEFPKCcQ5BoCd7AQAvD_BwE is a good book to help you get your head around it.

As a PP mentioned ask school what their volunteer code of conduct is and ask for a copy. Also going NC is something worth considering.