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Grandma using school to get around low contact

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CrunchyApple3 · 04/07/2021 23:35

To be frank, I don't have a great relationship with my Mum. She's always behaved like she has this weird obsession with my life and that she's entitled to know everything about it. When I was a child living at home, this caused me no end of grief - I couldn't keep a diary, get mail without her opening it, or get changed after a shower without her barging into my room and trying to look at me naked. She would constantly criticise me and try to shame me, I grew up with massive confidence issues from listening to her negative comments about my body. There was some physical abuse too when I was very, very young but the mental stuff was far more damaging to me.

I'm a private person and I don't care for anyone, let alone my nosy Mum to know every detail of my life, and once I left home and started to assert my personal autonomy this caused her to get way more obsessive. The less I shared with her, the more she pushed. Once she even broke into my house while I was on holidays and went through my bedroom, then tried to claim that she was "only try to help" by cleaning it for me while I was away. I was 32 years old at that point! This was the trigger I needed to really set down some boundaries with her and not put up with her crazy anymore.

These have mostly worked and given me some space and peace of mind. While Mum stopped coming to my house whenever she felt like it, she is too proud to outright ask me if I'm up for a visitor, so instead she just does weird things like comes to my house (unannounced, still) and leaves things in my driveway for me to find later. It's bizarre as heck but it's like she's doing it just to have a little power flex? I don't know but I just let it be because pick your battles, I suppose?

I have an 8 year old who is in school. I have continued to keep my mother at arm's length, because over the years she's demonstrated to me that she's not a safe person for my kid to be around. Mum has never been left alone with my daughter, she's never babysat her or had her sleepover. Putting aside the fact that I don't trust her, Mum has some medical conditions that limit her mobility and physical strength. If there was some kind of emergency, I don't think she'd be able to react quickly. So my kid sees grandma once every 2-3 months or so - my partner and I will invite grandma over for dinner or we'll go out for lunch somewhere. The last time we had lunch together, Mum started talking about my daughter's school and asking whether they needed volunteers for the canteen. I told her that it was quite physical work involving needing to lift heavy trays of food out of the oven and that you need to be on your feet for most of the day, so not to worry about it. I wasn't bullshitting her, and she lives an hour away from us so I thought that would be the end of it.

But no, about a fortnight ago I got a message in the school p&c group chat welcoming their newest canteen volunteer - my mother. So I went to the school and spoke to the office staff and canteen manager, and warned them that my daughter was not to be taken out of class by my mother and not to be left alone with her, or allowed to be picked up by her after school. The school said they understood, and they'd send an email out to the teachers to get the message out.

About a week later, I received a phone call from the school principal to let me know that after my Mum's first canteen shift, she'd shown up at the office asking to have my daughter come out of class and see her. The staff member told her that they don't like to interrupt the kid's breaks and Mum left, and the principal said "I don't think she was very happy about it". I thanked her for letting me know and asked to pass along my thanks to the staff members as well.

I am just so tired of my Mum trying to push her way into my life, and trying to do it in ways where she can claim plausible deniability and pretend she's "just trying to help!" and make me out to be unreasonable. AIBU?? I've never told my daughter why she is never left alone with her grandma or babysat etc but maybe it would be reasonable to do so now?

OP posts:
AliceMcK · 05/07/2021 08:44

She sounds like my mother. The first thing I did when I went NC was make sure the school did not let her anywhere near the school or my DCs. I also had to change my locks as my DF had a set of keys to my house I was never able to get off her after he died.

My DCs were 6 & 8 at the time I finally went NC. They now know some of the reasons, they don’t need to know all the gory details but they know enough to know it’s not their fault they don’t see her anymore. They are 9 &7 now. My almost 4yo has no idea who she is.

I think it’s best to be open with my DCs about things like this, as I said, they don’t need to know all the gory details but they need to understand that some relationships aren’t healthy, I don’t see it as any different to other safeguarding issues. I teach them about safe touching, bullying, stranger danger, and the difference between healthy and toxic relationships.

Horehound · 05/07/2021 08:44

If going NC does set her off then you will have evidence for a restraining order or something?

NeonDreams · 05/07/2021 08:46

[quote AbsolutelyPatsy]@NeonDreams
how is that abuse?
the op wanted privacy
perhaps there was a reason that the op is not coming forward about,
i dont think that is abuse[/quote]
You can't be serious! To any rational person, it IS abuse! The fact that the rest of her family don't associate with her, shows the problem is with the grandma. If you don't think what she did is abuse, you are either the grandma, or you're abusive yourself so can't see how dangerous and abusive she is.

NeonDreams · 05/07/2021 08:49

@AbsolutelyPatsy

mediation is not for people who have rights, it is for grandparents who want to see their grandchildren, they have no rights, so mediation is the suggested way forward.
Perhaps the psycho grandma should have thought about wanting to see her grandchild before doubling down on the stalking, the harassment, and the crazy behaviour.

Psycho Grandma has forfeited any right to see her grandchild. She is unstable and unfit and should never be able to see her.

strawberrydonuts · 05/07/2021 08:50

*I've tried this before. A few months ago Mum confronted me and started crying and carrying on about how she wants us to be closer and doesn't understand how our relationship became the way it is. I told her outright why I don't trust her, and why I don't trust her to be around my kid. Her response was to say that she "acknowledges she's made mistakes" with me but I'm the one at fault because I won't move past the past and just accept that she loves me and DD and tried her best and maybe we should go to therapy together to work out our differences.

She is the kind of person who turns on the waterworks to invoke sympathy from others but I've seen her do it so much that it doesn't work on me anymore. She probably is pretty miserable given that most of our family got tired of her crap and don't have much to do with her anymore, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my mental health or my kid's well-being to make her happy.

So as for being blunt with her, she knows that I don't want her in the canteen and hanging around the school and she decided to do it anyway. I really don't want for the school to have to deal with this sort of drama and it's embarrassing that I have to talk to the principal about this at all*

So she's asking you to forgive her for past mistakes and move on, whilst actively still doing the same things. By volunteering at the school she's still showing the exact same intense/ full on behaviour that has always driven you away.

How did she think this underhand move of volunteering at your daughter's school would go down? She's being hypocritical saying one thing but demonstrating the opposite in her behaviour. It's obvious that it's a way to get access to your daughter - she lives an hour away so if she just wanted to volunteer at a school she could find one closer to her.

In your situation I'd point this out to her (knowing that she probably won't acknowledge/ accept it), explain the situation to the school and ask them to remove your mother from the staff.

I know you don't want drama at school, but the truth is they are already involved because of your mum volunteering there.

If you don't bring it up with them directly then drama will occur in some other way - she will keep trying to get access to your daughter and getting upset about it all, it will all blow up and everyone will know what's going on including all the other staff and children.

It's better to just be quietly direct with the school, tell them what's going on and ask them to take her off the staff.

Your mum will probably hate you for it but you've already explained your reasons to her. You can't do any more than that. Sorry you're having to deal with this - she sounds very mentally unstable :( Maybe once this is resolved you can find some other ways you can involved her in your life a bit more, on your own terms, but only if you want to.

strawberrydonuts · 05/07/2021 08:50

Sorry the bold didn't work on my post - top three paragraphs are OP's quoted post.

TheBrynGhost · 05/07/2021 08:52

I think I would wait to see if the school are definitely doing the right thing. If she does one more thing though, I think no contact is the way forward and get the police involved at the first sign of obsessiveness.

This is a whole new level of escalation OP. You are not wrong to see it that way but I think you have to consider NC for the future. By not doing so you are handing her a lot of power over you and yours.

LizJamIsFab · 05/07/2021 08:53

I’d leave school to manage your Mum.

I think only allowing her to see her grandchild once every 2-3 months at a meal (when more is possible) is quite harsh. I get that you want to treat her harshly but it’s blocking a close relationship.

Why did your Mum get involved/ worry about your body? I’m not saying her behaviour was good, but why did she do it? Can people never accept the past and move on? Being physically weak is not a reason not to be able to look after an 8 year old.

cansu · 05/07/2021 08:55

I would urge you to think a little about your reactions to this. Have you had any therapy? I would agree with another poster that the lengths you are going to in order to control your dd's access to her grandma are over the top. Is it possible that your mum could be different with your dd? Is this about protecting your dd or about punishing your mother for your past relationship with her?

SunshineCake · 05/07/2021 08:56

@AbsolutelyPatsy

i have read the op's posts and now she has clarified further i am so sad for you op. Thanks the school has your back, grandparents have no rights. do what you think best in the situation
It really didn't need more than the OP.
AbsolutelyPatsy · 05/07/2021 08:58

@SunshineCake
i have been shouted down for alternate points of view,
no need to carry on digging the knife in,
get your kicks elsewhere

JustcameoutGC · 05/07/2021 08:59

Op I know talking to the school about your private family matter must feel quite intrusive, but given that you preempted problems and they dealt with them appropriately, what the teachers are seeing is a mother doing exactly what is needed to protect her own and her daughters boundaries. You will so have gone up in their estimation if anything.

Cant imagine how dealing with this level of craziness feels like.

Horehound · 05/07/2021 09:00

Alternate points if view. You mean ill-considered, thoughtless and not to mention prying. You didn't need any more info than the op but had to pry about what op didn't want to share as a youngster. It's weird.
I was only half joking when I said are you the ops mum
Because that's how you come across.

NeonDreams · 05/07/2021 09:02

@cansu

I would urge you to think a little about your reactions to this. Have you had any therapy? I would agree with another poster that the lengths you are going to in order to control your dd's access to her grandma are over the top. Is it possible that your mum could be different with your dd? Is this about protecting your dd or about punishing your mother for your past relationship with her?
What about the lengths the grandma is going to, to interfere in OP's life? You don't think that is over the top? It's the grandma's reactions here that are over the top. The OP has allowed grandma access, which is more than most would do. Far from being over the top, the OP has been enabling of the grandma's behaviour, and not assertive enough! The problem is the OP has even allowed her mother into her DD's life 8 years ago.

PS if the grandma was 'different' with the DD, she isn't showing it, she is showing the same lack of boundaries with the OP and showing she has clearly not changed and has no intention at all, whatsoever, of changing.

Horehound · 05/07/2021 09:04

@cansu

I would urge you to think a little about your reactions to this. Have you had any therapy? I would agree with another poster that the lengths you are going to in order to control your dd's access to her grandma are over the top. Is it possible that your mum could be different with your dd? Is this about protecting your dd or about punishing your mother for your past relationship with her?
It's not over the top. Happy to help
Rubyrecka · 05/07/2021 09:08

God what a awful situation. You mum sounds like she had mental issues.

Laiste · 05/07/2021 09:08

I can't believe how many posters are sympathising with OPs mother here.

I can only think they are projecting.

When a person is here telling you they were abused by their mother and now need advice on how to maintain a distance from that abuser and how to keep their DC distanced from that abuser some people seriously think it's appropriate to come here and
a) challenge weather they were even abused in the first place/ask for clarity on the abuse details
and
b) worry about how the abusers feelings
Hmm

Twisique · 05/07/2021 09:10

I would make sure there is a paper trail with the school just in case you need to escalate it, I would also make sure they understand by using the terms low contact and abusive.

Womendohavevaginasnick · 05/07/2021 09:11

@RedHelenB

I think on the face of it you are now turning into the controlling one. What actual harm to your child would be caused if she was ever alone with her gran? of course children shouldn't be coming out of classto see friends/ family that work there
@RedHelenB do you really think that's an appropriate thing to say to an abuse survivor who is trying to protect her child from the same abuse?
AvantGardening · 05/07/2021 09:20

Obviously a few posters recognise their own behaviour and don’t like that it’s so obviously recognisable as abusive.

OP you sound like you’ve been so strong. If NC is the right choice for you (and given the escalation it might be) then I’m sure you and your family can handle it.

Jellyred · 05/07/2021 09:22

Lots of good advice here.

Only thing I’d add is that I wouldn’t go NC until DM has left the school as I’d want some level of contact to monitor.

I’d also be contacting the school weekly or fortnightly to ensure this stays on their radar.

Laiste · 05/07/2021 09:23

I hope none of these posters have anything to do with child protection.

''What actual harm to your child would be caused if she was ever alone with her gran?''

Seriously? This lovely 'gran' abused the child's mother.

..... i mean ....
do people really need it explaining as to why the woman shouldn't be alone with her granddaughter?

DifferentHair · 05/07/2021 09:23

100% what @Laiste said.

I can't believe how many posters are sympathising with OPs mother here.

I can only think they are projecting.

When a person is here telling you they were abused by their mother and now need advice on how to maintain a distance from that abuser and how to keep their DC distanced from that abuser some people seriously think it's appropriate to come here and
a) challenge weather they were even abused in the first place/ask for clarity on the abuse details
and
b) worry about how the abusers feelings

BunnyRuddington · 05/07/2021 09:23

Obviously a few posters recognise their own behaviour and don’t like that it’s so obviously recognisable as abusive.

I was be beginning to think that my M had joined MN Grin

diddl · 05/07/2021 09:27

"I think only allowing her to see her grandchild once every 2-3 months at a meal (when more is possible) is quite harsh. I get that you want to treat her harshly but it’s blocking a close relationship."

She treated/treats Op like shit.

Why would Op hand her daughter over to that?