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Grandma using school to get around low contact

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CrunchyApple3 · 04/07/2021 23:35

To be frank, I don't have a great relationship with my Mum. She's always behaved like she has this weird obsession with my life and that she's entitled to know everything about it. When I was a child living at home, this caused me no end of grief - I couldn't keep a diary, get mail without her opening it, or get changed after a shower without her barging into my room and trying to look at me naked. She would constantly criticise me and try to shame me, I grew up with massive confidence issues from listening to her negative comments about my body. There was some physical abuse too when I was very, very young but the mental stuff was far more damaging to me.

I'm a private person and I don't care for anyone, let alone my nosy Mum to know every detail of my life, and once I left home and started to assert my personal autonomy this caused her to get way more obsessive. The less I shared with her, the more she pushed. Once she even broke into my house while I was on holidays and went through my bedroom, then tried to claim that she was "only try to help" by cleaning it for me while I was away. I was 32 years old at that point! This was the trigger I needed to really set down some boundaries with her and not put up with her crazy anymore.

These have mostly worked and given me some space and peace of mind. While Mum stopped coming to my house whenever she felt like it, she is too proud to outright ask me if I'm up for a visitor, so instead she just does weird things like comes to my house (unannounced, still) and leaves things in my driveway for me to find later. It's bizarre as heck but it's like she's doing it just to have a little power flex? I don't know but I just let it be because pick your battles, I suppose?

I have an 8 year old who is in school. I have continued to keep my mother at arm's length, because over the years she's demonstrated to me that she's not a safe person for my kid to be around. Mum has never been left alone with my daughter, she's never babysat her or had her sleepover. Putting aside the fact that I don't trust her, Mum has some medical conditions that limit her mobility and physical strength. If there was some kind of emergency, I don't think she'd be able to react quickly. So my kid sees grandma once every 2-3 months or so - my partner and I will invite grandma over for dinner or we'll go out for lunch somewhere. The last time we had lunch together, Mum started talking about my daughter's school and asking whether they needed volunteers for the canteen. I told her that it was quite physical work involving needing to lift heavy trays of food out of the oven and that you need to be on your feet for most of the day, so not to worry about it. I wasn't bullshitting her, and she lives an hour away from us so I thought that would be the end of it.

But no, about a fortnight ago I got a message in the school p&c group chat welcoming their newest canteen volunteer - my mother. So I went to the school and spoke to the office staff and canteen manager, and warned them that my daughter was not to be taken out of class by my mother and not to be left alone with her, or allowed to be picked up by her after school. The school said they understood, and they'd send an email out to the teachers to get the message out.

About a week later, I received a phone call from the school principal to let me know that after my Mum's first canteen shift, she'd shown up at the office asking to have my daughter come out of class and see her. The staff member told her that they don't like to interrupt the kid's breaks and Mum left, and the principal said "I don't think she was very happy about it". I thanked her for letting me know and asked to pass along my thanks to the staff members as well.

I am just so tired of my Mum trying to push her way into my life, and trying to do it in ways where she can claim plausible deniability and pretend she's "just trying to help!" and make me out to be unreasonable. AIBU?? I've never told my daughter why she is never left alone with her grandma or babysat etc but maybe it would be reasonable to do so now?

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DifferentHair · 05/07/2021 08:31

That sounds awful Op.

No advice just Thanks.

My in laws are the same, it's so challenging

AbsolutelyPatsy · 05/07/2021 08:31

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RestingPandaFace · 05/07/2021 08:32

Schools and other organisations that deal with children are well used to volunteers having ulterior motives; it’s more common then you would think. To be honest I think that the staff’s reaction and the principal’s call shows that they are on top of it. If the head knows there’s no need for meetings with the safeguarding lead, they will be aware already.

I suspect that behind the scenes school will be working on getting rid of her, she has shown her true colours and confirmed your worries by asking to see your daughter on her first shift.

Checking with school how they will handle it if she tries again is a good idea, and puts them on their guard for when she inevitably does.

It’s also worth being on your guard for fallout, as no doubt when she quits there will be a way that it’s your fault!

I also agree with PP that it’s time to start drip feeding some honest answers about how Grandma was when you were young, not sitting down and telling the whole story as such, but bits and pieces so that’s your DD can form her own conclusions.

Sbsh · 05/07/2021 08:32

To echo neon dreams, family mediation will be pointless, no contact and telling the school exactly about the history is a much better way.

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DifferentHair · 05/07/2021 08:33

@AbsolutelyPatsy what is there to discuss in mediation?

Mediation is for people who each have rights and entitlements in a situation to come to an agreement.

OP's mother has no right to intrude as she does, why should OP sit at a table and seek her agreement as to how she lives her life and raises her child?

OP's mother's agreement is not needed and I don't think OP should act like it is.

AbsolutelyPatsy · 05/07/2021 08:34

leave it with the school op

SnoopyLights · 05/07/2021 08:35

I'm sorry she's doing this to you and your daughter.

It's good the school acted to stop her seeing your daughter at that point, but given your concerns and her actions, I'm surprised they have allowed her to continue volunteering. And in agreement with previous posters, I'm concerned that she will find more inventive ways to gain contact with your daughter now she knows the staff won't act on her direct requests.

Schools seem to be a target for some controlling grandparents. Thankfully, I don't think my IL's have targeted DS at school, but they have spent time parked further along our street watching for us to leave the house or for him to go to and from school, now he's old enough to go alone. But I was looking at an estrangement forum yesterday where grandparents were talking about sending cards and gifts directly to school so they could bypass parents and get to their grandchildren. And I'll admit, that made me feel anxious.

IL's have been quite creative about getting cards and gifts to us in the past, including dumping bags of toys on our doorstep and having other relatives sneak envelopes into bags and coat pockets. That got dealt with very quickly and somehow we got the blame for being 'difficult' when we had to ask certain relatives to stop (one BIL and one SIL in particular, who know what their parents are like but who find it easier to go along with things to keep the peace) but you might need to be aware of notes being put in your DD's school bag or coat pocket, even if your mother can't get to her in person.

I'm in agreement with the posters who feel that no contact and a restraining order are the way to go. Your mother has escalated way more than my IL's, and we are completely no contact now, having sent a cease and desist letter (a compromise, I wanted a solicitor to send it, DH wrote his own but it seems to have worked).

AbsolutelyPatsy · 05/07/2021 08:37

mediation is not for people who have rights, it is for grandparents who want to see their grandchildren, they have no rights, so mediation is the suggested way forward.

Horehound · 05/07/2021 08:37

@AbsolutelyPatsy

why is that fucking crazy, *@Horehound* she is not the first grandparent to volunteer at a school
She lives an hour away and planned the job to gain access to her granddaughter. Umm how is it not crazy @absolutelypatsy. You seem to be the only one on here who thinks that's not al behaviour. Are you OPs mum?!
HerMammy · 05/07/2021 08:38

In this circumstance and due to the past, I’d be going NC, your mother is dangerous and unhinged. Do not feel obliged to allow her in your life become she’s your mother, you wouldn’t accept this behaviour off of a friend would you?

Adifferentstory2 · 05/07/2021 08:38

Poor you - awful situation. School has done great but I would take it to the next level, sit with head and go through what you have written here (ask for absolute confidentiality). It’s a safeguarding risk if there is any chance of your mother controlling you or your daughter through contact with your daughter. They won’t necessarily be able to sack her but it’s likely that she’ll move on quicker if they know the whole story. So sorry for you

AbsolutelyPatsy · 05/07/2021 08:38

repeat, she is not the first grandparent to volunteer to see their grandchildren .
as it happens op does have contact

AbsolutelyPatsy · 05/07/2021 08:39

dangerous and unhinged now?
see,
going ott,

DifferentHair · 05/07/2021 08:39

@AbsolutelyPatsy the 'suggested way forward' in my opinion would be for OP's Mum to go off to her own counseling and work on respecting boundaries and positive relationships.

Going to mediation to sort out an access agreement without working on the very significant reasons access has limited thus far, is pointless and indulgent of the grandmothers entitlement.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 05/07/2021 08:39

@Roselilly36

YANBU OP, your mum sounds like she has some MH issues. I don’t expect she will be working at the school for long if she is not getting her own way there. I think you are wise keeping things distant. Fortunately many people have lovely mums, and cannot relate to how some mums can be very abusive and emotionally controlling.
Why does someone always suggest MH issues?

Some people just are way over-nosy, controlling, etc. It doesn’t have to mean MH issues, not unless every single less pleasant personality trait - selfishness, bossiness, laziness, etc. is now considered to be a MH condition.

OP, I don’t think you are BU at all.

I would def. put your case again - calmly but very clearly - to the relevant school staff. The fact is that a parent with whom, for very valid reasons, you are low contact, has deliberately sought to contravene your wishes as regards your dd.

MaMaD1990 · 05/07/2021 08:39

@AbsolutelyPatsy

mediation is not for people who have rights, it is for grandparents who want to see their grandchildren, they have no rights, so mediation is the suggested way forward.
Hmm thank god this grandmother doesn't have rights.
NeonDreams · 05/07/2021 08:40

@AbsolutelyPatsy You obviously have not read any of the OP's posts. Stalking and harassment is against the law and that is what the grandma is doing.

CrunchyApple3 · 05/07/2021 08:40

@AbsolutelyPatsy

what were you not wanting to share with your dm op? when you were a child?
For a start it would have been nice to have been able to change a tampon in peace! Or not have to listen to her making fun of the size of my breasts!

Why is it so hard for you to wrap your head around the idea that young adults should have their privacy respected? Why would I want mediation with someone who gives no fucks about anyone's feelings except their own?

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Sbsh · 05/07/2021 08:41

@AbsolutelyPatsy

dangerous and unhinged now? see, going ott,
What do you call someone who physically abused someone, has broken into their home and mentally abused them if not dangerous Hmm

You're being ridiculous and minimising an abusive person's actions.

Horehound · 05/07/2021 08:41

It's not worth engaging with absolutelypatsy. It's clear they don't understand the situation at all.

AbsolutelyPatsy · 05/07/2021 08:42

i have read the op's posts and now she has clarified further i am so sad for you op.
Thanks
the school has your back,
grandparents have no rights.
do what you think best in the situation

Horehound · 05/07/2021 08:42

Honestly, is absolutelypatsy ops mum?!
Jesus Christ. Unbelievable

Horehound · 05/07/2021 08:43

HmmHmmHmm

NeonDreams · 05/07/2021 08:43

I sometimes fantasise about going no contact with mum but I have a feeling that it would just set her off and make her obsessiveness even worse.

You are just giving in, OP. So what if it sets her off more? You have to do something to get her out of your and your DD's life.

What she is doing is stalking and harassment. Sure R.Os set some people off, but if people took your attitude to do nothing, no one would do anything and these people would get away with it.

You can do something if you choose to. 'It's all too hard' never got any woman anywhere. If she harmed your daughter, could you ever forgive yourself? For goodness sake, stop looking for excuses! Get her away from you and her daughter for good. Or else you will truly come to regret it, mark this post down and remember it.

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