To send child to school with no breakfast.

[LittleBlackCat22]

I feel really guilty, although I know they have bagels in class in the morning plus snack at half 10.

She refused to get out of bed this morning until it was time to leave, then refused to get dressed. She was 25 minutes late for school and if she had breakfast too that would have made her even later! She’s 6, and seriously pushing boundaries atm. She loves school, so not a school issue. Just very much not a morning person.

Try to get her to bed by 7 or 7.30 pm.
She may be a bit unsettled by your pregnancy and health. Are you a bit more grumpy than usual?
Try not to let it become a big issue before the baby is born. That will be a shock to her system enough.

@DGFB

I use this recipe:
simply-delicious-food.com/easy-healthy-banana-oat-muffins/

I add a bit of vanilla essence and no sweetener. Even my eldest who claims to hate bananas wolfs it down (he doesn't know banananas are the main ingredient!).

Sounds like she might have lost the privilege of sleeping in her nice cabin bed until she can prove that she can get up for school when she is called like a big girl. Can you make her a camp bed up on her bedroom floor and remove the bedding from her bed?

This thread is peak Mumsnet bagels are too carby for children, they'll be obese. Giving a child who isn't fussed on breakfast a brioche is neglect(my person fave!) Get rid of her bed and make her sleep on a mattress on the floor
She's 6, she's tired/pushing boundaries, mum is pregnant, mornings are a rush, and she's not had breakfast for one day and will have a (hideously carby ) bagel at school. I think everyone needs to calm down

Every time she’s slept on the floor before she’s woken up vile because she doesn’t sleep properly down there. I’m going to discuss with my partner about changing her bed. It will be a shame as it’s won’t leave her with a huge amount of room to get rid of all the space under her bed.

[quote Lagomtransplant]@3scape

A moderately active 6 year old requires 1600 cal/day. A breakfast should be 25% plus 100 cal a snack, so up to 500 cal at that point. A bagel (250 cal) and a snack totals up to 350.

A single apple or a brioche 95-140 calories puts you in a neglect zone. Please consider food issues counselling.[/quote]
Sounds like you're the one who needs "food issues counselling" if you're trying to police the calorie intake of a child you've never met. What normal person even knows this stuff?

[quote SaltAndVinegarSandwiches]@DGFB

I use this recipe:
simply-delicious-food.com/easy-healthy-banana-oat-muffins/

I add a bit of vanilla essence and no sweetener. Even my eldest who claims to hate bananas wolfs it down (he doesn't know banananas are the main ingredient!).[/quote]
Thank you!!

To keep the space just make the bed change temporary until you can get up there yourself again?

@LittleBlackCat22

Your little girl will be fine, it's you who is paying the price 😔

We all have mornings like this.

She sounds like a gorgeous, feisty character.

Now have a cup of tea and make yourself feel better by doing what we all do on days like this and spoil her a bit later (cake?) 😂

OP - I feel your pain.
Don't worry. It's not actually a big deal.
I had a school refuser (not implying you do though) and the states I dragged her into school in was awful sometimes. Pyjamas, no breakfast, screaming, barefoot….awful. I did feel guilt, but we had a much bigger picture going on at the time. But I still felt awful.
She is 6, so plenty of time to change.
Concentrate on your pregnancy, and try not to get too stressed about it.

Have a chat to DD and see what happens tomorrow.

Lay a trail of treats on her floor to encourage her to get out of bed?
Have a reward chart for each stage of getting ready?
Buy her new clothes to wear - if possible?
Breakfast in bed if she gets up for the rest of the week?
Alarm clock on other side of room?
Say you need her help getting yourself dressed if you're very pregnant?
Have a friend call round to go to school together?

Bet you wish you'd never posted now OP!

I'd be more worried about being 25 minutes late for school. She's 6, what happens when she's a teen???

@3scape

A bagel and a snack! I usually just get my non morning child to have something on the hoof (brioche roll, apple) but if she's going to be given all that food it's not a problem is it?!

Gosh yes, that’s great that they get bagels at school. I’m not sure I’d bother with breakfast then Mine isn’t a big eater in the mornings. Maybe 4 or 5 spoonfuls of cereal. I often take a bit of food with us on the walk to school in case he wants to eat then. Then he gets his banana at 10.30

@3scape gosh and now I can see you’ve been called neglectful.
It looks like our children have pretty much identical diets in the morning. I’d be perfectly happy with a brioche on the way to school.

I’m certainly not neglectful with food - a large breakfast is always provided if wanted but neither of my children have much of an appetite until mid morning.

You've had a bad morning - we all have them so try not to worry! missing breakfast one day wont harm her, and I agree with the very first comment that this is a natural consequence - she refuses to get out of bed, she doesn't get breakfast. If she was 25 mins late for school and has a bagel at 10:30 then she really didn't go that long without food. She will have forgotten all about it by now whilst you're sat worrying about it.

We all need to accept that we cant be 100% perfect parents 100% of the time, parents and children will have off days and what works for your child wont work for other peoples, there has been lots of judging on this thread!

@houselikeashed

OP - I feel your pain. Don't worry. It's not actually a big deal. I had a school refuser (not implying you do though) and the states I dragged her into school in was awful sometimes. Pyjamas, no breakfast, screaming, barefoot….awful. I did feel guilt, but we had a much bigger picture going on at the time. But I still felt awful. She is 6, so plenty of time to change. Concentrate on your pregnancy, and try not to get too stressed about it. Have a chat to DD and see what happens tomorrow. Lay a trail of treats on her floor to encourage her to get out of bed? Have a reward chart for each stage of getting ready? Buy her new clothes to wear - if possible? Breakfast in bed if she gets up for the rest of the week? Alarm clock on other side of room? Say you need her help getting yourself dressed if you're very pregnant? Have a friend call round to go to school together?

Some of these ideas are definitely worth trying! Reward charts usually go down well with kids of 6

Yeah I’ve been meaning to go and get the bits together for a reward chart but I’ve been so sick. Partner doesn’t finish work till after the shops are shut!

@LittleBlackCat22

I’ve just spoken to my dad about it and his response was “you were fucking horrible from 6-20. It’s called karma babe.”

Does your dad know my mum? She takes great delight in telling me that my son being naughty/not sleeping etc is payback for when I was little 🤣

@RonniePickering

She refused to get out of bed this morning until it was time to leave

She’s 6? Bit weird you’re giving her the option to stay in bed until it was time to leave 😳
You need to nip that in the bud.

This.

OP, you are making a massive rod for your back.

Refusing school for no reason at 6?

I suggest you have a good hard look at yourself and your parenting.

You have a responsibility to get that child to school on time.

Excuses like not being a morning person is utter bullshit.

No tv or electronics whatsoever and very, very early to bed if she is THAT tired.

How do you honestly imagine you are going to deal with a 12 year old if you can't get her to school on time at 6?

Boundaries and routines are crucial for children.
It gives them security which is very important.

You need to be the adult here not her pal coaxing her out of bed.

Missing breakfast is the least of your worries.

I wouldn’t give a 6 (or even a 16) year old a choice in getting up, they get up and get dressed when asked. You’re being too lenient! I’d always try to ensure they had breakfast, even if it meant eating it on the way to school.

I missed the first time bit, fine, but you really don't want that to develop especially if there is no reason for it other than tiredness.

And if you aren't well, again that is a once off.

Hmm, she's moved home and school and her mum is expecting another baby, and she's suddenly started being naughty? I think she's obviously quite unsettled at the moment - I know you are feeling sick, but it sounds like she needs a bit of help through this?

I honestly wouldn’t stress about breakfast 1 day. I personally don’t like eating first thing and never have (night owl) DD is same and used to have a bit of something eg a brioche at primary school and now a cereal bar at morning breakfast secondary.
Sounds like she has has had a lot to deal with new house, new school, new sibling on way. Sounds like she is angling for more time/attention and it’s coming out as ‘naughty’.

We were running late for school today (my fault, not DD's) and I made her eat a banana in the house whilst getting dressed and a piece of toast whilst walking to school. Unless you live 1 minute from school there's time on the journey to eat.

My daughter had a very experienced reception teacher (on the brink of retirement). I was really late a series of mornings and apologised explaining how difficult our mornings had become. Her teacher suggested that I tell her that I had spoken to Mrs X and she would be very happy if DD arrived in her pyjamas. I told my DD this and at pick up she overheard me say to Mrs X that if we ran late late I would drop DD off in her PJs. When my DD was tricky in the morning I simply told her, she might not have time to dress and she would have to be dropped off in her PJs and I didn't know what everyone in her class would think about that. The problem was solved - and I think her teacher really would have received her in her PJs and it would never have happened again after that!