To send child to school with no breakfast.

[LittleBlackCat22]

I feel really guilty, although I know they have bagels in class in the morning plus snack at half 10.

She refused to get out of bed this morning until it was time to leave, then refused to get dressed. She was 25 minutes late for school and if she had breakfast too that would have made her even later! She’s 6, and seriously pushing boundaries atm. She loves school, so not a school issue. Just very much not a morning person.

[quote Lagomtransplant]@3scape

A moderately active 6 year old requires 1600 cal/day. A breakfast should be 25% plus 100 cal a snack, so up to 500 cal at that point. A bagel (250 cal) and a snack totals up to 350.

A single apple or a brioche 95-140 calories puts you in a neglect zone. Please consider food issues counselling.[/quote]
If you think giving a child who isn't that fussed about breakfast an apple is neglect, you'd be horrified by what many, many children in the UK are fed (or not fed) every day.

I'd second the suggestion that she sleeps on the floor if she won't get out of her bed. What's your evening routine like? Can she go to bed earlier?
Can you enlist the help of school? A stern telling off from the head about lateness might help?
I'd draw up a few strategies and have a proper talk with her at the weekend with rewards and consequences

[quote Lagomtransplant]@3scape

A moderately active 6 year old requires 1600 cal/day. A breakfast should be 25% plus 100 cal a snack, so up to 500 cal at that point. A bagel (250 cal) and a snack totals up to 350.

A single apple or a brioche 95-140 calories puts you in a neglect zone. Please consider food issues counselling.[/quote]
You'd have a heart attack if I told you how much food my two very skinny and athletic boys ate.

OP, I'd be waking your DC up 30 minutes earlier in the morning from now on.

My DC have bunk beds and I can't reach the top bunk. I either tickle DS feet (which I can reach) or tickle his nose with something to wake him up when he refuses to get up.

@HopeValley

I'm not the only one horrified - go look at the published statistics of what changes in behaviour and attainment free breakfast clubs made in certain areas, the results were stupendous.

No I wouldn't be keen on sending mine in with no breakfast to be honest. If mine are too tired I make a smoothie with oats in it and that fills them up and they can drink it in the car if needs be.

@Ineedtogotobednowplease

The suggestion was for a moderately active 6 year old. Of course additional activities will change that and the child's physique.

Missing breakfast once, fine, I’m more concerned about the fact that you are not able to get a six year old out of bed and were consequently 25minutes late for school? Even if they are so tired (are they getting enough sleep?) you just need to get them out of bed and to school on time, this needs to be non negotiable.

My 8yo gets up on time, I make him breakfast, stick in under his nose and he still doesn't eat it.

Id say at most, 5 times a month he eats breakfast, he has always been like this, he's just not a morning person/eater.

@NCwhatsmynameagain no she’s not tired she was just being naughty this morning.

My 9 yr old chose not to have breakfast this morning or take a snack to school. She'll now have nothing until lunch.
Her choice, she was tired and grumpy. Doesn't usually happen.

Most kids can cope a few hours without food on the odd occasion (assuming they've chosen not to eat rather than been denied a meal). Don't think social services will be on your case just yet!

My DD aged almost 7 will deliberately not eat at home because the class TA will then make her toast before playtime. If she's extra good said TA will put jam on it for her too, I've given up arguing with DD, if it was an issue school would raise it shrugs

That comment is so unnecessary,pull your judgy pants up dear.

They’re fully hoicked, dahling.

@LittleBlackCat22 with all due respect there is ALWAYS a reason for a 6 year old to act out (or be naughty...but I hate that word!) the reason is most probably that she was tired, she had a bad day yesterday and so didn't want to go in today, or she just wanted attention from you. Did you attempt to cajole her at all? Help her to get up? Offer to help her get dressed? Ask her what her preference would be for breakfast? Etc etc...

It's her fault and her consequence.

I would have told the teacher what had happened, why she was late and why she hadn't had breakfast.

I'm not sure how you can improve this though because they offer bagels at school. As in, your DD is not going to learn that if she doesn't have breakfast she will be hungry as she knows there's bagels at school.

I'm unconcerned about the lack of breakfast, but more bothered by the fact you're being dictated to by a 6 YEAR OLD. 😮

I would have picked her up under her armpits at the correct time and got her dressed and not allowed her to lie in bed and BE 25 MINS LATE FOR SCHOOL!! You need to up the discipline in your parenting I think. I don't mean to sound harsh, but at 6 she should be doing as she's told but she's obviously seeing you as a pushover already.

I would also be moving the mattress to the floor so you're able to get her up in the morning. Although I'd be throwing water at my son if he wasn't getting up for school 🙈. Must have been a stressful morning for you!

[quote Lagomtransplant]@3scape

A moderately active 6 year old requires 1600 cal/day. A breakfast should be 25% plus 100 cal a snack, so up to 500 cal at that point. A bagel (250 cal) and a snack totals up to 350.

A single apple or a brioche 95-140 calories puts you in a neglect zone. Please consider food issues counselling.[/quote]
This is nuts. Apple and brioche is a perfectly normal breakfast. Are you really so sheltered you think parents who aren't hovering over a calorie-counter at every meal are neglecting their child?

@BigusBumus I’ve already stated that this is the first time this has ever happened and that I can’t physically get to her in her bed. There’s nothing wrong with my parenting thanks.

@ForeverSausages I did consider it but couldn’t be bothered with the clean up

I should have gotten her up earlier but I had my head down the toilet most of the morning. It was a shitty morning for both of us and I’m now just feeling a bit guilty for being a bitch to her and her wanting something to eat and me saying no.

[quote LittleBlackCat22]@NCwhatsmynameagain no she’s not tired she was just being naughty this morning.[/quote]
Mornings can be very stressful I sympathise but you can’t let her set the agenda, she needs to know that getting up and ready for school is absolutely non negotiable.

LittleBlackCat, you can't make kids do what they really don't want to.

I never fancied breakfast until I was out and about, my mother wanted me to have something but I couldn't stomach it. I know my mum felt guilty but you can't force food down in to a child. On the whole I ate well.

One of my children liked something to eat when they got up, the other didn't. It obviously concerned me but I made sure (they both) had some stuff to eat later.

You can only do what you can do. You have my sympathy but it doesn't go on forever.

PS: "I know they have bagels in class in the morning plus snack at half 10".

That sounds fine to me! I'd have loved it.

@BigusBumus op has already said she's quite pregnant and that's difficult to do atm.
As a teacher I just ask that parents let me know if their child hasn't had breakfast as it can result in them being a bit grumpy or out of sorts. No judgement on the parents at all these things happen, but I always have a supply of snacks or will offer toast if they come in hungry. In your dds case op I'd have offered her something small at school if hungry.... And reminded her that she needs to listen to mummy when she says it's time to get up for school.
Currently also quite pregnant so you have my sympathy on not being about to lift / go about things as normal atm, and even at 3 my ds knows it and has been playing up too. Plus they know changes are coming and they are trying to process that too (and take advantage when they know they can ) Even at 6 she's only little especially if you say there's also recently been a house move too.

How does a 6 year old 'refuse to get out of bed'?

Didn’t see that you were pregnant and feel sick, sorry you had a shit morning. DD will be fine and will learn that if she pisses about she will miss out on breakfast.