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To think if you have dc then you have to stay with their dad? Unless there’s abuse / cheating

363 replies

Rollingsunset · 24/06/2021 07:04

I’m really not very happy but I am of the opinion that if you have dc then your happiness doesn’t really matter anymore and unless there’s abuse / cheating which is clearly cut and dry, there’s a duty to keep the family together?
I wish I didn’t feel like this, because I have so much guilt tied up in everything. I’m not happy but I don’t feel it’s ‘bad’ enough. It’s nothing I can change or improve, it’s just as it is. The dc and DH are ok though so I feel like I owe it to them to keep it together.
AIBU to think that once you have children it doesn’t matter how happy you are? You have to do everything you can to keep the family as a unit?

OP posts:
Closetbeanmuncher · 24/06/2021 14:00

DH says he’s happy and he loves me and everything is wonderful
I don’t know what planet he’s on

He's on the planet of I'm happy to have you break your back and wipe my arse for me while I do fuck all obviously!

Closetbeanmuncher · 24/06/2021 14:04

Oh you again OP with another username...

You still don't think pregnancy "pocket money", withholding finances and your own children saying they wish you weren't with him is indicative of abuse??

FluffyT · 24/06/2021 14:13

It’s really so difficult being in a marriage that isn’t how you expected it to be. It makes you think that your expectations were just silly girl dreams and completely unrealistic. You feel so stupid when it doesn’t turn out the way you thought it would.

Bluntness100 · 24/06/2021 14:13

Op I mean this gently but are you catostrophising? Why would you be bread line poor and struggling to feed your kids, have you check benefits you’d be entitled to? What about joint assets, savings, pensions, have you checked the value? You’d be given a min of fifty percent,

What you’re writing doesn’t seem to be coming from a position of knowledge?

WannabeNun · 24/06/2021 14:38

I haven't read the thread yet but just wanted to say that I had a thread recently about discovering that my father had a long running affair when I was a child. I've only just found out but my parents were never really happy, I knew that. And I wish to God they had divorced. I love them and have a close relationship with both but I remember walking on eggshells, my mother being cowed, my dad being volatile and borderline violent (throwing things more than striking anyone) and it definitely had an effect on my otherwise lovely childhood. Staying together isn't always best even if it isn't terrible. Sometimes people are better parents apart.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/06/2021 15:09

TobyLeRhone
“There are times when I have been massively lonely and wanted to leave but then things improved when I focused on my own life and got a p/t job, got more friends and hobbies, and took care of my own wellbeing. Incidentally, when I did this my marriage massively improved as I was much happier. “

I think you have pointed out something very important here Toby: that we have to take responsibility for our own happiness within a marriage as even in the best another person can never really provide it for you. (Unless finding a positive way through is impossible because of abuse, drugs, alcohol, affairs etc.)

ScrollingLeaves · 24/06/2021 15:13

“NellyBarney

Rolling, there is so much you can do to improve your life and marriage. Go to your GP, go out for dinner with you dh and start talking about your feelings. Instigate intimacy. If you are to overwhelmed with work and homelike, and dh is too busy too, get a cleaner and a babysitter, or look at whether you could go part time and make some time for fun in your life. A divorce is pretty expensive, so money for a cleaner, a babysitter and a nice fortnightly dinner a deux and maybe dropping a day at work and taking up a hobby is chicken feed in comparison. You absolutely deserve to be happy, but you need to learn how to be happy first, or what exactly is preventing you from being unhappy in this relationship, before you divorce, otherwise there is the risk that you end up divorced and unhappy, what would be worse than unhappily married imo.“

Very good advice IMO. Even if you cannot afford to do everything suggested, follow the spirit.

Notjustanymum · 24/06/2021 15:14

20 years in and 2 DC’s after marrying, I also felt like this. With some help (psychiatric therapy) it turned out I was just knackered and resentful from doing everything around the house and looking after everyone else. Hiring a cleaner, an ironing help, babysitters and booking a weekend to Paris rekindled our relationship (my DH also wasn’t aware I was feeling like this and also said he loved me, thinking everything was good).
You have to love yourself in order to make a marriage work, and you also have to talk about how you feel with your DH, to see if he’s on your side. Try that and you might find it all works out for you as it did for me (our relationship has gone from strength to strength) and if he’s unwilling to invest in your happiness, at least you’ll be able to decide if a split is for the best...

ScrollingLeaves · 24/06/2021 15:22

I just saw your last thread OP, and apologise as you said you just do not want to spend more time with your H.

Also saw that your parents dislike him intensely ( even though they think you should stay)!

Why do they dislike him?

arethereanyleftatall · 24/06/2021 15:24

@Closetbeanmuncher

Oh you again OP with another username...

You still don't think pregnancy "pocket money", withholding finances and your own children saying they wish you weren't with him is indicative of abuse??

I thought this too. Reworded in an attempt to get posters to tell her to stay, so that she guilt free doesn't have to do anything.
Ladylokidoki · 24/06/2021 15:43

Oh you again OP with another username...

You still don't think pregnancy "pocket money", withholding finances and your own children saying they wish you weren't with him is indicative of abuse??

Assuming the above is correct

If op has posted this, in a different way to get support for staying, she would still be ignoring her children saying they don't want to live with him.

I have been in an abusive relationship and know women stay for all sorts of reasons. But if op is saying she is staying for the kids, when the kids don't want to live with him. She should be ashamed she is using them as an excuse.

What happens when they are older? And they are messed up from an abusive father, that she is still with. What if they cut contact, will she still be sat there staying 'but I stayed for you' as a way to pile more guilt on.

Op if you are staying, be honest about why you are staying. Don't frame this as best for your kids. Because it really does not sound like it is. It sounds like staying, is hugely damaging for them.

Draineddraineddrained · 24/06/2021 16:05

It does annoy me when people blithely blither on on threads like this about "how much happier you'll be" if you separate and how the kids' happiness will automatically follow from this. It does not necessarily follow that leaving one unhappy situation will make the OP happy, nor that her happiness if achieved will fulfil all her DC's emotional and practical needs. It's such an individualist mindset. And I'm sorry but I often think the divorced parents convinced their kids are "so much better off" are telling themselves what they want to hear.

The truth is when a relationship is breaking down and children are involved, unless both parties are total saints about it and prioritise the children's wellbeing above all else, there are only an array of bad options and an attempt to choose the least worst one. And whichever you choose may turn out to have been the wrong one for one or some or all the kids.

It really isn't as simple as getting rid of the unsatisfactory partner, instant happiness for OP, kids delighted. The unsatisfactory partner is still the kids' father (an unsatisfactory one, in this case). The kids will either have to be shared with him on a regular basis (lives split between two homes, less money all round, possible stepparents/blended family issues, missing each parent when with the other) or they will be dropped/sidelined and have to deal with that rejection head on at a young age. Moreover it's easy to imagine the only thing stopping the OP being happy is her crummy relationship - but who's to say there aren't other mental health/self esteem issues at play which have LEAD to this dysfunctional relationship? My mum left my abusive dad, but she was never happy. Went from bad marriage to bad marriage, because she was fundamentally broken long before she picked my dad and had kids with him. So their divorce didn't have me and my sister skipping around in the meadows anymore than their cluster fuck of a marriage had. Moreover my dad then got together with my stepmum, and while they did stay together, their relationship with each other and with each other's pre existing children was rocky and difficult. I'd say only my half brother (both their child) emerged from that household unscathed of the four children that lived in it. So staying together isn't necessarily a fix all either, no matter how martyred you are.

Like the man said, they fuck you up, your mum and dad. If we've chosen badly when choosing someone to have kids with, that's on us and we have to own it and make the next choice in the best possible interests of the kids we made, while accepting that there may be no "good" choice. All this "LTB and you'll be SO MUCH HAPPIER and of course your kids will be too, happy mum means happy kids" bollocks is magical thinking in the vast majority of cases.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/06/2021 16:14

This thread seems confusing now as some posters are alluding to some other information from another one in which H is described as abusive and children don’t want to live with him.

Draineddraineddrained · 24/06/2021 16:26

@ScrollingLeaves

I'd probably ignore that as it's total speculation on the PP's parts that this is the same poster they are thinking of.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/06/2021 16:44

Thank you for explaining, Drained.

strawberrydonuts · 24/06/2021 16:48

If you're not happy in your marriage then your "family unit" is not working as a unit anyway. It's gone regardless of whether you make a decision to leave or not.

LittleMissPeggySue · 24/06/2021 17:06

I've been that wife and mother who's torn about whether to stay in an unhappy relationship for the sake of the DC or leave. ExH isn't a bad person, in fact he's one of my oldest, closest friends and we get on really well. We just didn't work as a couple and I knew that things would never, ever change. In the end it came down to the realisation that if I didn't do something then I'd look back in old age and regret my entire adult life. I know several friends who had parents stay together for the sake of the children and all of them say they knew what was really going on and it screwed with their future relationships in adulthood.

I met someone new not long after the break up, it wasn't the best timing but it made me see how unhealthy my marriage had been. ExH and DP met each other after about a year and they get on, it helps that they have shared sporting interests. My DC see him I think as a cross between an annoying older brother and someone to have fun, play practical jokes with and gang up on me with Grin

My DC was upset about the break up and we've tried to manage it between us. Neither of us (to my knowledge) would put the other one down in front of them, we share custody 50/50, take important decisions together as much as we possibly can and have spent every Xmas together so they don't need to decide between spending it with mum or dad. We still have a laugh together, very often when he brings them back from his, we'll sit in the kitchen and have a gossip. He's more like a brother to me now. I realise that this is not a common thing, and that we're really very lucky to still have such a good friendship but I wanted to add this perspective.

wheresmymojo · 24/06/2021 17:26

No.

Because ultimately what you're teaching your DC is that a woman doesn't matter once she's had children.

That a woman should suck up any unhappiness and that it's okay for a man to not invest in their relationship or their family.

Is this really what you want your DC to understand? The world view you want them to have and internalise?

wheresmymojo · 24/06/2021 17:27

I would however do everything possible to save the marriage first (abuse and infidelity aside).

So I would make a good go at marriage counselling before I made the decision to break up the family unit.

entropynow · 24/06/2021 17:29

@uhtredsonofuhtred1

My parents stayed together "for the kids" for years longer than they should've done. It was blindingly obvious to us that they didn't like each other and it did all of us some damage. Us girls especially have made some very poor relationship choices and I believe it all stems down to that.
Lets you off the hook, certainly. You made choices, no-one made you. My parents loathed each other, I've been married 36 years to a great guy.
DeflatedGinDrinker · 24/06/2021 17:37

God no! My happiness is key. Happy mum happy kids.

entropynow · 24/06/2021 17:38

@contrary13

staying when you don't love, respect, or trust the person you chose to bring children into the world with... fucks those children up! For life!

My experience says different. Who's to say yours is more valid?

titsintiers · 24/06/2021 17:39

Your duty is be a positive role model, staying in that position really doesn't present a healthy relationship to your kids. They deserve that and so do you.

Finnyhaddock · 24/06/2021 17:47

I am you another 13 years down the line. I stayed because I was determined my children wouldn't come from 'a broken home' as I did.
It was awful but now the kids have gone and some other stress factors it's not too bad.
But I am lonely and fantasise about what might have been. But I made my bed and chose to lie in it.
But my DH does have some very positive attributes.
For what it's worth I have one child with a very happy relationship and one who has is currently single. When they were younger they did settle into long term unhappy relationships and I blamed myself for their poor choices - happily they saw the light and sorted themselves out.
I do think that it's easy to believe the grass is greener and there are still other days when I wish I had made different choices.
Surely that's just life?

ChaToilLeam · 24/06/2021 18:01

You sound ground down by your DH and also your parents. So what if your dad says you should wait until the kids are 21? You are an adult and can decide for yourself.

You said in an earlier post that what your DH says, goes, where the kids are concerned. Was it the same with your DF growing up and could that be behind your reluctance to break away? Because your existence right now sounds soul-crushing. You do not need anyone’s permission to determine your life.