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Is DH controlling or am I permissive?

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ReluctantNeatFreak · 20/06/2021 19:15

Sorry for long post (I'm a long-time lurker also) but I'm at my wit's end - my DH and I are on the brink of separation over our difference in parenting styles. It feels like there is lots worth saving in the marriage and I don't think any of us (me, DH, DD14, DD13) would be happy with separation, but I can't take any more days like this.

Our teenage girls do have a tendency to have messy bedrooms, leave their stuff around the house, don't eat enough fruit/veg, often prioritise seeing their mates in spare time rather than choosing to get homework/chores done first, bicker with each other, sometimes act resentfully towards parents and need to be asked several times before they get stuff done.

However, they get good grades and reports from school, have been chosen as patrol leaders in scouts, do chores like cleaning bathrooms, doing laundry, dishwashers and mowing lawns before they get any pocket money, and are usually articulate, funny, positive-minded, passionate, thoughtful of others, and (I think) generally good kids.

I feel like the negative stuff above is typical teenage stuff, and I have a 'coaching' style where I try to get them to behave better through regular prompting and encouragement, praising good behaviour and verbal admonishment when they have really let themselves down, etc. I very rarely raise my voice or give out punishments (reserved for lies and deceit, utterly unkind behaviour etc).

My DH believes that behaviours like the messy room or not eating healthily should result in sanctions (sometimes arbitrary or instant) like losing their phone for a day, banned from TV, being grounded for a day, having monitoring and checklists put in place and often shouts when he sees things that are below par or if his instructions aren't explicitly followed. If the girls (or I) protest and an argument ensues, it almost always ends up in him locking himself in his room and refusing to speak to the three of us for hours.

He thinks I undermine him and never hold the children to account. I think he's trying to exert control over teenagers in a way which makes them want to rebel more. We have a day of rows or not speaking at least once a fortnight, and this has gone on for years. The children are stressed, miserable and confused on these days.

DH is a very well-intentioned and loving Dad, but this situation is now degenerating so that they hardly ever have cuddles or chats now without him sniping or being critical and the girls retreating moodily. I feel like I'm walking on eggshells amongst them.

I honestly can no longer tell if I'm right (and he is overly strict) or if he's right (and the children would grow up with terrible life-damaging habits if he didn't teach them these lessons) and need outside opinions please.

Please let me know - YABU (DH is being a great parent and I am too permissive), YANBU (DH is being overly controlling and needs to enjoy his teenagers company more before they leave home).

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ReluctantNeatFreak · 20/06/2021 19:16

Not sure what happened to my paragraphs, but would be grateful if you could read it anyway Confused

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RoseRedRoseBlue · 20/06/2021 19:17

YANBU. Your husband sounds likes a dictatorial bully.

MyFloorIsLava · 20/06/2021 19:18

Put it this way - your husband is going to be very confused when his daughters are independent women and don't want to spend any time in his company.

Belliphat · 20/06/2021 19:18

He is fucking up. They need to know he loves them more than anything. They are clearly doing ok - he isn’t. Bon of his responses are normal or healthy but control can refer to panic or fear - family therapy or counselling an option?

Ukholidaysaregreat · 20/06/2021 19:20

I think your DH does sounds too struck. I would be more like you I think. Have you tried talking to DH about it at a time when you are calm to see if you can find a way forwards?

Ukholidaysaregreat · 20/06/2021 19:20

Strict!

SilverRoe · 20/06/2021 19:21

I think your style sounds right and his sounds dictatorial, over the top and all about him needing to be in charge and respected rather than a boot actually a good disciplined relationship. What you describe is normal teenager boundary pushing and his punishment and rules sound very strict.

Ducksurprise · 20/06/2021 19:21

You are not being unreasonable

Onlinedilema · 20/06/2021 19:22

Everyone has their own parenting style. What I will say is he absolutely should not be punishing them over what they do and do not eat, that's a sure way to encourage an unhealthy relationship with food.
My moto is chose which hill you are prepared to die on.
Teenagers are a pain in the arse, they just are. Is he very self disciplined? Does he come in and quietly clean and tidy? Or does he just expect teenage girls to do it?

cheeseismydownfall · 20/06/2021 19:23

From what you've said in your OP, I would say you have got things right and your DH is being unreasonably authoritarian and risks alienating hid daughters.

Patenting teenagers is frustrating but they are individuals not robots. Sanctions need to be reserved for the big stuff - which is what you are trying to do.

I'm not sure what to suggest. Of course you don't want to undermine your DH, but what are you supposed to do when he is being unreasonable? The only thing I can think of is talking about this together away from your DD's and trying to agree a mode ground - while making it clear that you won't just unilaterally back him up if he is being unreasonable.

Sanctions

BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand · 20/06/2021 19:24

He wants to discipline them for "not eating healthily"? Fucking hell. That's one way to ensure you fuck your children up about food.

cheeseismydownfall · 20/06/2021 19:25

Middle ground

dexterslockedintheshedagain · 20/06/2021 19:26

@cheeseismydownfall
Teenagers can be patented???!!! Grin

Nutellacoconut · 20/06/2021 19:27

You've ganged up with the teens.

Maybe he views his role is as a parent and not a friend. Is he making up for you being too lenient and then you're making up for him being too strict (in each others' books)? No one is willing to compromise? Because the teens are not benefiting:

** We have a day of rows or not speaking at least once a fortnight, and this has gone on for years. The children are stressed, miserable and confused on these days.

Wombats12 · 20/06/2021 19:27

See the other current posts about sulking men.

Does sound like he's a mysoginist controlling bully.

How does he treat people at work?

Blacktothepink · 20/06/2021 19:28

Yanbu, he’s a bully ☹️

ReluctantNeatFreak · 20/06/2021 19:28

Thanks all, that's encouraging. DH and I both have very demanding jobs, he is uber-organised himself and says he just can't live in this mess. He very rarely leaves mess around unless he's been busy doing DIY (he's pretty selfless with his spare time, always fixing the house, making stuff for us, which is why his demand sometimes feel kind of justifiable).

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BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand · 20/06/2021 19:29

He doesn't have to live in their bedrooms though.

Do they mess up shared areas? If so, this should carry sanctions of some form. But teenage bedrooms are not something to go into battle over imo.

jay55 · 20/06/2021 19:29

When the worst thing your teens do, is have messy rooms, you're doing a great job.

Bluntness100 · 20/06/2021 19:30

Yeah this is your husband, your kids sound like good kids and normal, he needs to pick his battles, this punitive controlling behaviour is going to kill his relationship with them,

dexterslockedintheshedagain · 20/06/2021 19:30

Seriously though, I think you have the right approach, they're achieving and doing well. Teenagers are (mostly) messy and eat crap. I know mine does. I was/did. But whilst we encourage her to tidy and eat well, we're not too bothered -as long as she is healthy, happy and wants to spend time with us. Which she does because we're not on her case all the time.
Agree with PP, to sanction what he considers unhealthy eating is just terrible, and storing up problems for later. He needs to chill, though I suspect this will be difficult for him. Has he always been like this? Strict with them, I mean?

redastherose · 20/06/2021 19:31

He's being too strict and needs to pull back from this sort of dictatorial behaviour. No one no matter what age likes being told what to do constantly or criticised. Teenagers push boundaries but having messy rooms and choosing what they want to eat are perfectly normal when they are finding out who they are. Their rooms are their spaces and they should be free to do what they want within reason within them. If they want to use the floordrobe then it's up to them you just don't wash clothes not put in the basket etc. If he won't give them more space and understand them you have to tell him that he's going to forever ruin his relationship with them and you won't allow him to ruin yours so you will be forced to separate. They deserve a home without this sort of stress constantly and if he won't change then the only option is to have two houses where they can be relaxed and secure at least half of the time.

Kanaloa · 20/06/2021 19:33

Being punished for not eating enough veg/having a messy room seems controlling to me. It will build resentment from your daughters, they are sensible girls doing well in school and it will feel to them like he is looking for reasons to pick.

Him locking himself in his room for hours if you disagree with him is also unhealthy.

ReluctantNeatFreak · 20/06/2021 19:33

I do think he's worsened over time to 'compensate' for me - that's certainly his view when we have discussed this ad nauseum. I don't know how to find the right line between 'not undermining' and 'keeping quiet when you should be supporting your children'. We've talked about this at length for so many years (and have tried to approach it differently and failed) it's now just at the point where I don't know what to do.

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AdelindSchade · 20/06/2021 19:33

Yanbu he is damaging his relationship with them. They sound exactly like my 13 yo dd and I have a similar style to you.

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