Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

[Maybevaccine]

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

I work in care and I explained back at the start of the year that I wouldn't be having it due trying for a baby. I was told by my manager that was absolutely fine and that anything else would be a breach of my human rights. I am now 15 weeks pregnant and still have no immediate plans to be vaccinated. The potential risk to my (much longed for) baby is too high. Not sure what my employer will say mind....

@catmommy
You would have 16 weeks anyway in which to get the vaccine from when it is mandated so I wouldnt worry. You'll be almost due by that point. Dont blame you at all for not wanting it done in your circumstances.

@catmommy

I work in care and I explained back at the start of the year that I wouldn't be having it due trying for a baby. I was told by my manager that was absolutely fine and that anything else would be a breach of my human rights. I am now 15 weeks pregnant and still have no immediate plans to be vaccinated. The potential risk to my (much longed for) baby is too high. Not sure what my employer will say mind....

Yet the potential risk of stillbirth or premature birth due to covid for your much longed for baby is fine??

@KittyMcV

My friend recently declined a close-contact beauty treatment because the beautician wasn't vaccinated. This prompted an interesting discussion, which I also think is relevant to this discussion. There are some people here who've a lot more knowledge than me and I'd be interested to know what you folks think. So, if a person (say me) has been vaccinated, I can still be infected and get Covid, but likely is not it will be mild and I'll be asymptomatic. This is what I've been led to believe, anyway. Because asymptomatic people are much less likely to spread Covid, I am a v low risk to others. Therefore vaccination is an extremely good and helpful thing. However... I was wondering... In a close contact situation such as a massage, the risk is higher that an asymptomatic person could pass the virus on - more so than a shop-keeper or an accountant say. So... Is there an argument that it could be a GOOD thing that some people would show symptoms if they contracted a cold, flu, Covid or other virus? Because therefore they would know to stay off work? I'm not saying this is my belief, but it is one argument. I don't think vaccines should ever be mandated and I'm uncomfortable with the fact that people are vilifying others who choose not to. Both 'sides' are calling each-other stupid. I totally believe that with time and education that the vast majority big people will choose to be vaccinated.

Showing symptoms usually means the person has a higher viral load because that's what is causing the symptoms. They are likely to be be more infectious than someone without symptoms. This was borne out in research that showed vaccinated people with symptoms were only half as likely to pass on covid. So no, that would be a very bad thing. Extended sewage research to identify areas of growing infections would be much more useful to society than one person getting more infectious.

@Maybevaccine

Yes I agree, I'd need to do more research and read about the vaccines. It's just very scary to read about perfectly healthy people getting blood clots and unable to move as soon as they get the vaccine.

To those asking why I want to work with vulnerable people when I'm against the vaccine, well I thought wearing the PPE and getting tested every week was enough? Even before my interview I had to get tested at the care home. I don't know, maybe I was being a bit naive, but I genuinely thought PPE and weekly covid test was OK.

You can only read so much. I did the same and was going round and round in circles, causing sleepless nights. There is more focus on the vaccines and every bad thing gets reported. My DH got new medication for his migraines and as he read out the possible side effects, we commented on how it sounds worse than the vaccines considering he's having to take it everyday. There are people who haven't had the vaccine but being treated for clots etc whom we won't hear about. I got AZ in end even though it was a couple of days after advice not to give to over 40's (I'm 45). Will go for my second in a few weeks. If it's your time, it's your time and if it's not, then you'll be fine like millions of others who've had theirs who are ok. Good luck op, only you can make the decision.

@alwayswithhope
She would be wise to stop working at 28 weeks IMO

Well said @youshouldbeplotting

And the spreading of misinformation continues.

Godfrey Bloom

fullfact.org/online/godfrey-bloom-video-makes-false-claims-about-vaccines/

@Scrambledcustard

The vaccine doest stop you from passing it on though.

OP your probably going to have to get a new job if you dont want it. Making vaccines mandatory is against civil rights and should not be forced

But it isn't just about the 'civil rights' of the person having/not having the vaccine. It's about the rights of the vulnerable people they care for not to have the virus needlessly passed onto them.

How many times does this point have to be repeated?

Civil rights apply to everyone, and the civil rights of those with no autonomy and without the ability to make their own choices or care for themselves take particular precedence. You don't get to decide to put them at risk.

@MyMoneyIsAllSpent

I'm not taking it. Firstly, its still in trial, it isn't a vaccine because it isn't licensed. It is not a legal requirement and it is against the law to coerce you or sack you over not having it. Even if our gov. changed our laws, you are still protected by EU law. Search 'Godfrey Bloom' NO MANDATORY JABS - FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS on YouTube. Very informative.

Godfrey Bloom is a complete chancer: he's a former member of UKIP who had the whip withdrawn for being too right wing, has called women "sluts" and physically attacked a journalist.

If you're getting medical advice from someone like this I would suggest you're not in a position to make informed consent about anything.

Citing Godfey Bloom for vaccine information is like calling Donald Trump an infectious disease expert.

And by the way you have to LOL at someone citing a fiercely pro-Brexit and anti EU campaigner to back up the argument that you shouldn't have the vaccine and then adding that if you choose to flounce about being vaccinated you're protected.... wait for it... by EU law.

Firstly, its still in trial, - no, it has completed phase 3 trials. It is normal for new medications to have an extended period of surveillance after they are introduced, that doesn't mean it is still in trial.

it isn't a vaccine because it isn't licensed.

Just not true. It is a vaccine - a medication intended to provoke an immune response to protect against a harmful infectious disease - and it is licensed, under an emergency licence because a global pandemic is an emergency.

It is not a legal requirement and it is against the law to coerce you or sack you over not having it.

I assume if they make it compulsory, the necessary legal changes will be enacted. The Government have good lawyers.

Even if our gov. changed our laws, you are still protected by EU law.

Regrettably (IMO) EU law is irrelevant here because we are no longer in the EU.

I assume if they make it compulsory, the necessary legal changes will be enacted. The Government have good lawyers.

Exactly this @PuzzledObserver, laws are frequently changed to aligned with the needs and views of the period. If they didn't then we'd still be deporting convicts to Australia and arresting people for being gay. If the government wants to put it into law then they'll put it into law.

Did you have COVID in the ‘x’ amount of months pre vaccine? Did you die during the vaccine free months? Surely it’s personal choice. I think we should all be respectful of that. If someone wants to take their chances without the vaccine they should be allowed to do so without judgement. And as for those who are vaccinated their choice should be respected and of course as they have protected themselves they should not feel threatened by those without the vaccine. In my mind I don’t understand why it’s such a big deal... why do people who choose not to get the vaccine receive snarky comments and condemnation?!?!? Humans can be so ugly.

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@CandyLeBonBon have you considered that COVID is not the only cause of death in life... a fully vaccinated person can still be hit by a bus... fear of death is by far a greater disease than COVID.

If someone wants to take their chances without the vaccine they should be allowed to do so without judgement.

People are judging most non vaccinators because they are sourcing their anti vax information from unreliable and dodgy sources. You only have to read PuzzledObserver's post at 15.00 to see the ridiculous claims being refuted with sensible answers.

I feel like a broken record here, but unvaccinated people are the ones who are spreading the new variant. It has been reported in the news countless times. The more people who don't vaccinate the more opportunity the virus has to mutate.

Perhaps the non vaccinators should just stay at home.

@MadeOfStarStuff but fear is what causes us to get the vaccine, just because we can rationalise it (to ourselves) doesn’t make it any better. Understand that some people don’t want to take the vaccine, but to be discriminated against because of that is wrong. Flat out.

@RampantIvy

If someone wants to take their chances without the vaccine they should be allowed to do so without judgement.

People are judging most non vaccinators because they are sourcing their anti vax information from unreliable and dodgy sources. You only have to read PuzzledObserver's post at 15.00 to see the ridiculous claims being refuted with sensible answers.

I feel like a broken record here, but unvaccinated people are the ones who are spreading the new variant. It has been reported in the news countless times. The more people who don't vaccinate the more opportunity the virus has to mutate.

Perhaps the non vaccinators should just stay at home.

@RampantIvy ‘dodgy & unreliable’ because they conflict with the mainstream? I’ve read and seen posts and videos from an ex Pfizer employee regarding COVID & the vaccine... a scientist, a rational thinker.

Like I said before those who are vaccinated are protected so unvaccinated people and their decisions not to take the vaccine should not threaten us or be any concern of ours.

If carers were required to have compulsory vaccines pre-vivid and this had merely been added to the list then fair play, but if it wasn’t previously a concern that caregiver workers had up to date jabs for other illnesses, I don’t see why COVID is an exception.

I’ve had my 1st dose before anyone starts, I just feel it necessary to talk up for injustice.

*pre-Covid

‘dodgy & unreliable’ because they conflict with the mainstream?

Dodgy and unreliable because they're very quickly debunked with actual facts.