Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

999 replies

Maybevaccine · 16/06/2021 18:57

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

OP posts:
CandyLeBonBon · 16/06/2021 19:15

@Sadsiblingatsea

I don’t blame you OP. This vaccine has too many side effects.
What? Like not dying?
lljkk · 16/06/2021 19:16

Will paid domicillary (in own private home) carers also be legally required to be double-jabbed? I had not heard that.

noshiforever · 16/06/2021 19:16

I don't understand this unfortunately.

The vaccine does not stop transmission.

The residents of the care home should be fully vaccinated, in which case they are protected.

Will all visitors to the care home have to prove they are fully vaccinated to step foot inside then? If not, why not?

The big problem is there may now be a shortage of carers working within homes, leaving the elderly and vulnerable in a worse situation.

MercyBooth · 16/06/2021 19:18

So what happens if someone on UC cant apply for a care job if they havent had the vaccine. Will it be get the vaccine or lose your benefits as care home work is the default setting job usually advertised at the Job Centre

Original poster
Maybevaccine · 16/06/2021 19:19

I'll have to get the vaccine aren't I? I mean now that they want to make it compulsory for care workers and NHS, I have to get it. My goal is it get into medicine in 2023, which is why I got this job so I can have some work experience. I literally have no choice as I'm always going to be working in healthcare.

OP posts:
wildeverose · 16/06/2021 19:19

When working in care you're with the most vulnerable group of people, that Covid will very likely kill.
Of course all care home staff should be vaccinated - no ones forcing anyone to work in one. Get the jab or get another job - it really is that simple.

MissConductUS · 16/06/2021 19:19

@Scrambledcustard

The vaccine doest stop you from passing it on though.

OP your probably going to have to get a new job if you dont want it. Making vaccines mandatory is against civil rights and should not be forced

Actually, the vaccine does reduce transmission.

www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work

It's not been made mandatory. It's been made mandatory for a particular job role caring for medically vulnerable people.

Original poster
Maybevaccine · 16/06/2021 19:20

Hancock confirms Covid vaccines WILL be compulsory for care home staff
mol.im/a/9692583

OP posts:
BlatantlyNameChanged · 16/06/2021 19:20

Visitors are in the care home for much less time than the staff, they're typically not providing personal care, medical care, or intimate care, and their presence can be managed so they're in well-ventilated rooms and socially distanced if needed, or outdoors, etc which staff cannot be. Basically, staff are more likely to infect residents than visitors due to proximity.

Suzi888 · 16/06/2021 19:20

Is this actually going to be made law? I find it bizarre. What about things like chicken poxConfusedshingles is deadly to the elderly but no one is advising to get a pox jab.
Not an anti vaxxer- I’ve had my jabs before anyone jumps on. I’m not a carer either.
Thousands of care workers will leave- who will care for the elderly then?
Of your worried, look after your elderly person yourself - some may say!

Original poster
Maybevaccine · 16/06/2021 19:20

He even said it will be compulsory for hairdressers, beauticians and tradesmen going into peoples homes

OP posts:
MadeOfStarStuff · 16/06/2021 19:20

Just get the vaccine.

If you won’t then you need to find a different job where your irrational fear won’t put vulnerable people at risk

Sirzy · 16/06/2021 19:20

The vaccine reduces transmission, the data is suggesting significantly so.

Even in 100% of residents are vaccinated there is still going to be a level of risk because even being double vaccinated doesn’t give 100% protection. There may well be residents who are immunosuppressed or can’t be vaccinated.

In order to provide the highest level of protection to the residents then asking staff to be vaccinated is vital as they are going to becoming and going more and therefore at increased risk of bringing the virus in

LadyMacbethWasMisunderstood · 16/06/2021 19:21

Whether you have the vaccine is a personal choice. In my view it is the sensible choice to have it. And I have done. But it is up to each individual. What you cannot do is work as a carer and decline the vaccine. It really is a choice that only you can make. Maybe hospitality or retail work would suit you better?

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 16/06/2021 19:21

Well I had to have all sorts of vaccines I'd never had to have before when I trained as a mh nurse, so if you want to get into medicine get used to it

bookish83 · 16/06/2021 19:22

@Suzi888

Is this actually going to be made law? I find it bizarre. What about things like chicken poxConfusedshingles is deadly to the elderly but no one is advising to get a pox jab. Not an anti vaxxer- I’ve had my jabs before anyone jumps on. I’m not a carer either. Thousands of care workers will leave- who will care for the elderly then? Of your worried, look after your elderly person yourself - some may say!
Actually you have to have sufficient antibodies for chicken pox in the NHS. I had to get a vaccine due to not having enough antibodies.

NHS clinical roles are linked to ensuring you have certain vaccines. Flu jab is always a hot topic but Hep B, chicken pox are two I remember needing to prove

BlatantlyNameChanged · 16/06/2021 19:22

What about things like chicken pox shingles is deadly to the elderly but no one is advising to get a pox jab

You can't catch shingles from someone with chicken pox.

peonyred · 16/06/2021 19:22

Would it help to add that I've had the AZ, my husband has had the AZ and my kids have all had the Pfizer. No side effects, no blood clots, no death. Virtually all my friends and family have had the vaccine - again nothing to report other than a couple of cases of 14 hour mild fever and a couple of headaches. On the other hand, I know three families who have lost relatives in care homes from Covid and a friend almost lost her 18 year old son from a side effect of COVID where the virus attacked his heart. 18! Actually front line medics have to have Hepatitis B vaccines to work, so it's not at all unusual.

LadyMacbethWasMisunderstood · 16/06/2021 19:23

Ah. Sorry. I see from your later post why you have chosen care work. In a way it’s easy now for you. No real choice to make. That’s maybe liberating in a way? I know I find it helpful when there is clarity with path ahead; even if it’s not exactly to my likely, having certainty is helpful.

Saintsfan7 · 16/06/2021 19:24

@Sushirolls

Me. I was sacked yesterday, for standing up for my basic human rights and bodily autonomy. I'm not the only one, either.
Assuming you work in a customer facing/caring role, what about the human rights of those you work with to not be made very ill or killed by you giving them this virus?
KarmaStar · 16/06/2021 19:26

If it wasn't compulsory,you would actually be prepared to go and work with the vulnerable despite the chance of you catching and spreading covid?if that is the case,you must rethink about working in the care industry,because you don't care.

Georgyporky · 16/06/2021 19:27

It should have been compulsory as soon as it was available.

jellybeansforbreakfast · 16/06/2021 19:27

@Maybevaccine

I'll have to get the vaccine aren't I? I mean now that they want to make it compulsory for care workers and NHS, I have to get it. My goal is it get into medicine in 2023, which is why I got this job so I can have some work experience. I literally have no choice as I'm always going to be working in healthcare.
Yes. You will. And depending on what job you eventually train for in medicine you might find that you are mandated for others too, like Hep B.

But don't rush. Take a day or two to work through the NHS data on which vaccines which jobs call for and consider it properly. Which do you want most? The job/career or not to have a vaccine?

You won't be the only one in this position and you don't have to react against it and your own best interests out fo fear, rigteousness etc. You just need to work out what you can and cannot do for the job you are currently considering.

But the short answer is yes. Covid has changed things and this will be part and parcel of 'living with covid' for the foreseeable future.

TheGumption · 16/06/2021 19:28

What's your motivation to go into medicine if you have no confidence in science?!

Wishitsnows · 16/06/2021 19:28

But if you don't get the vaccine it would seem you are in the wrong job. Your job is to care for vulnerable people and you would be there putting them in a compromised position not caring about their outcomes.