Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

[Maybevaccine]

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

@BlatantlyNameChanged

My husband is a research scientist

An agronomist (aka, an expert in soil). It would be like taking medical advice from a mechanic.

Miaow !!

Sorry to disappoint blatant, my husband hasn’t worked as an agronomist for 17 years.

@Maybevaccine

Yes I agree, I'd need to do more research and read about the vaccines. It's just very scary to read about perfectly healthy people getting blood clots and unable to move as soon as they get the vaccine.

To those asking why I want to work with vulnerable people when I'm against the vaccine, well I thought wearing the PPE and getting tested every week was enough? Even before my interview I had to get tested at the care home. I don't know, maybe I was being a bit naive, but I genuinely thought PPE and weekly covid test was OK.

Your knowledge is not accurate. Those who died after AZ did not just stop moving, then die.

I believe just under 80 died out of 4.6 million doses in the UK.

You sound under 40 so you'll get Moderna or Pfizer. Front line workers in hospital also have a compulsory Hep B vaccination.

It's part of the job to keep yourself and your patient safe.

@honeybee88 your antivaxer comments are factually incorrect, dangerous and misleading. They will cost lives. Just stop.

I found this interesting article in the British Medical Journal about the ethical arguments for and and against mandatory vaccines. I think the author raises an interesting point about some vaccine refusals being symptomatic of the breakdown in trust between HCPs and the government.

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Just stop being a wuss and get it done. Nothing bad is going to happen to you.
If you really don't want to have it, then you absolutely should not be caring for the vulnerable. Simples.

If you really care for your residents how can you not have the jab but if you care about yourself solely then don't bother as I'm sure your in the wrong profession anyway.

This could be a good way of rooting out the bad carers. We were all a bit apprehensive about the jab but went for it to protect our loved ones as well as ourselves and to get back to some normal.

My daughter lives in a care home all her carers have been vaccinated, I would insist you couldn’t have any contact with her if you weren’t vaccinated

I'm a carer. I don't think anyone should be forced to have the vaccine but I find it a bit weird that anyone who is in this job WOULDN'T willingly have the vaccine to protect their clients.
Everyone I've spoken to via work has jumped at the chance.

Sorry to disappoint blatant, my husband hasn’t worked as an agronomist for 17 years

And I highly doubt he is oh-so-conveniently a "research scientist" now.

OP how many people have died from Covid and how many people have died from having the vaccine in the UK?

Or how many people in the UK are living with the lasting effects of Covid (long Covid) and how many people are suffering long lasting effects from the vaccine?

I think you know the answer.

I think it’s completely wrong to be forced. And for the people saying get a different job do you realise there is a shortage in staff in care homes so to have people leave would be far more dangerous to the residents needing care! Iv had my jab but I wouldn’t of if I intended to have any more children just incase it might affect fertility. There are legitimate reasons people are worried about the vaccine because it is a brand new type of vaccine with no long term data so it’s wrong to be forced. They should reassure people with evidence rather than force!

No one knows the implications the vaccine would have on the immune system a few years down the road

Vaccine don't work in that way, they don't hang around inside your system forevermore and then suddenly cause problems 5/10/15 years down the line.

A vaccine enters your body via whatever delivery method is used. It primes your immune system to recognise whatever it is you're being vaccinated against and then it dissipates and is gone. You might have a booster a few weeks later (as is the case with most covid vaccines) to check your immune system was paying attention last time and to reinforce priming it but that too dissipates and the vaccine is gone.

Side effects show up very quickly from within a few minutes (e.g., slightly bleeding at the injection site, anaphylaxis) to a few days (e.g., mild flu-like symptoms as the immune system responds) to a few weeks (e.g., its common to get a rash roughly ten days after the MMR). Even the more rare, long-term side effects become apparent within this relatively short time frame.

There has never been a case of a vaccine suddenly showing side effects several years later, why do you think it would be any different now? The vaccines might be new but the research and technology behind them is not.

This could be a good way of rooting out the bad carers

And of course there's a long line of people desperate to work in the industry and there's absolutely no risk of this policy leading to further staff shortages and neglect.

*OP how many people have died from Covid and how many people have died from having the vaccine in the UK?

Or how many people in the UK are living with the lasting effects of Covid (long Covid) and how many people are suffering long lasting effects from the vaccine?*

This!!!! 💯

I will never understand anti-vaxxers insistence that the risks/side effects are too great when in all likelihood it will be nothing more than a bit of a sore arm. Yet are willing to expose themselves to a disease that has killed millions globally and is on the rise once again in our country.

Yes I know several that are smokers. Unbelievable!

I don't know what's actually hard to understand about people's reluctancy to join a world wide experiment on how likely it is that a brand new formulation of chemicals can protect you from a mild illness if you're under the age of 60 and in otherwise good nick.

Follow your gut and common sense and don’t take it!

Thank you! 🎯

@Hues87

Follow your gut and common sense and don’t take it!

Use your common sense and have the jab.

@eandz13

I don't know what's actually hard to understand about people's reluctancy to join a world wide experiment on how likely it is that a brand new formulation of chemicals can protect you from a mild illness if you're under the age of 60 and in otherwise good nick.

Perhaps you'd like to explain that to my two teaching colleagues...fit, healthy women in their late 20s and early 30s who've been hospitalised then off work for months as a result of Covid?

I'm not a carer, and I've chosen to have the vaccine, but I am appalled by the fact that anyone would be mandated or coerced to take a vaccine at all, leave alone one which is still in it's experimental phase. The government has manipulated the public to police eack other through engineering discourse which makes it 'ok' for people to demand to know each other's medical history in this regard. It is a violation of human rights and I am appalled that any person or profession should be coerced or forced to have such an important thing done to their body. That having been said, I CHOSE to take the vaccine as I would like to contribute to achieving herd immunity and I am in my 50s. I don't know how I'd feel if I was 20. I have no problem whatsoever mixing with people who haven't been vaccinated. My heart goes out to you.

@MintyCedric I'm sorry to hear about your colleagues, I hope they're on the mend.
But the fact is they were actually just unlucky and the vast majority of their age group recover completely with no medical intervention.

When my mum was younger she ended up in hospital for a while with a bad case of the flu. Really really poorly with it. It happens. Of course it does. Just very rarely. The flu vaccine isn't forced on anyone, though.

This could be a good way of rooting out the bad carers

I’ve worked for some of the “best” chains of care homes in the country, and let me tell you, I wouldn’t board a dog in most of them, let alone put my elderly loved one in them. Photos of grand pianos and elegant decor in the brochures mean nothing.

I’ve seen so atrocious care. And the managers and owners couldn’t care less as long as the shifts are covered.

I’ve been forced to go into work with D&V a few times because I wasn’t believed and I knew that if I didn’t go in it would cause me trouble and I’d be punished with less shifts the next week. I was fell down some stairs after being knocked into by a resident at 5 months pregnant and lost my baby - my managers were calling me when I was still in hospital demanding to know when I would be in again as I was, “making things difficult for them with the rota.”

One place I worked at was even taking about docking your wages on your next shift after you’d taken one off ill. That’s of course after you’d had no sick pay for when you were actually sick.

The CQC don’t care much either. All I’ve got for reporting resident abuse over the years is the sack.

And of course relatives don’t see it. I’ve seen some Oscar worthy performances from staff when relatives have been visiting. They would tell you that the home is wonderful and the staff are saints.

Anyway, after seeing the attitude on another thread about carers being too thick and uneducated to understand what a vaccine is, it’s easy to see how we are seen as scum who should just accept anything.

So much for the clapping.