Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

[Maybevaccine]

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

Google has created so many researchers and yet people appear to be increasingly ignorant.

Sorry about spelling mistakes...I should have corrected the but tired and resigned.

… Bollocks …

@honeybee88

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Are you referring to Oxford University AstraZeneca chimpanzee adenovirus-vectored vaccine?

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31604-4/fulltext

@honeybee88

So many things you dont know......I have worked in places where I got inside information. You are being fed lies by beibg told all the things thw vaccine does NOT contain. Do you read the labels on your shopping? If it says sugar and hou dont want sugar, you dont buy it! So if you got a list of what the vaccine had in it.....I wonder which bitvwoyld put you off having it. You blindly believe a company who benefits by millions from you sticking that needle in your arm...look at facts....not fiction. A lot of woman were told thalidomide was safe.

You are quite right, there are a lot of things I don't t know. And Science is an evolving discipline. Despite the thalidomide, there are also overwhelming successes. You can look at a failure and claim science is unreliable or look at the bigger picture. I'd argue the medical progress has been excellent in the last 50 years. But unlike you, I am not privy to all this secret stuff.

The side effects of the vaccine are far less severe than an actual covid infection can be. And with the Delta variant spreading like wildfire there is a strong chance that you will catch Covid, especially if you have children in secondary school.

The blood clots are a very rare effect, and have only been identified with O/AZ (you can choose to have Pfizer instead) and they are treatable if you seek medical care when symptoms come on. I don't know what you have been reading, but millions and millions of people have now had these vaccines and there have been no other deaths from them.

This is a no-brainer. The vaccine won't kill you, but Covid-19 might. Get the vaccine.

@honeybee88

So many things you dont know......I have worked in places where I got inside information. You are being fed lies by beibg told all the things thw vaccine does NOT contain. Do you read the labels on your shopping? If it says sugar and hou dont want sugar, you dont buy it! So if you got a list of what the vaccine had in it.....I wonder which bitvwoyld put you off having it. You blindly believe a company who benefits by millions from you sticking that needle in your arm...look at facts....not fiction. A lot of woman were told thalidomide was safe.

Ohh, a secret squirrel, how exciting ! Each vaccine's ingredients are listed on the relevant website. Here's Pfizer's www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/the_facts_about_pfizer_and_biontech_s_covid_19_vaccine

@honeybee88

So many things you dont know......I have worked in places where I got inside information. You are being fed lies by beibg told all the things thw vaccine does NOT contain. Do you read the labels on your shopping? If it says sugar and hou dont want sugar, you dont buy it! So if you got a list of what the vaccine had in it.....I wonder which bitvwoyld put you off having it. You blindly believe a company who benefits by millions from you sticking that needle in your arm...look at facts....not fiction. A lot of woman were told thalidomide was safe.

Yes. I'm not a scientist, but I am far more likely to believe an article published in the lancet or the BMJ than some of the hysterical posts on this thread or on other social media.

I know perfectly well how some of the vaccines were developed, and I am happy to have the vaccine.

A lot of woman werent told thalidomide was safe? Really? Or Primodos? Read it online and weep. If you think it is bollocks I guess you are part of the pharmaceutical industries money making machine.....

That statistic about covid being more of a risk for clots is also shot. Utter shit. It was based on people in ICU with covid. Not overall case numbers (and there will be thousands who didn’t even get a test). And what a joke to compare a DVT in the leg from the pill- to a blood clot in the brain.
People are so naive.

@honeybee88

Yea I choose to stay alive and take my chances with every new disease coming my way. Instead of sticking a needle with aborted baby dna in the arm....

You are an American Trump voter aren’t you? Classic 🙄

Don’t get the vaccine!! It’s under trial until 2023. Rethink things then. I thought legally employers could not ask you if you’re vaccinated? If the vaccine is so wonderful then surely all the old folk are vaccinated/ safe??

I provide care and support for mainly elderly in the community and had the vaccine as soon as I was offered it, for my own and others protection. . I do not understand the small minority of people in this role who refuse to have the vaccine and believe people who are not experts such rather than the scientists. I think it should be compulsory as we travel to different households every day. Please speak to your GP or a health care professional and if, after that, you still don't want the vaccine then don't take the job, you could do so much harm

@Jennobop

Don’t get the vaccine!! It’s under trial until 2023. Rethink things then. I thought legally employers could not ask you if you’re vaccinated? If the vaccine is so wonderful then surely all the old folk are vaccinated/ safe??

Keep up at the back! As has been stated many times, this is incorrect. The phase III trials were completed last year and licencing has taken place. Currently phase IV studies are taking place. Phase IV is post-marketing surveillance to monitor the effects of the vaccine after it has been used in the population. It is not a trial or an experiment.

@Maybevaccine
Don't do something if it compromises your conscience.
I too work as a caregiver (in the States) they have not made it a requirement... yet.

But pressure is turned up on those in the medical field to get it.
It's not for me. I don't trust the government enough to be a guinea pig on a new type of vaccine. If it's a HepB or TB vax, fine. At least these have been rigorously tested. The FDA hasn't even approved the COVID vaccine. No one knows the implications the vaccine would have on the immune system a few years down the road. But already we know heart inflammation in children and young adults is one of them .

I'd advise to NOT get it if you have any hesitation at all. My grandma ended up in ER with heart failure after she got her second dose.

Most of the vulnerable have already been vaccinated (including the woman I care for. That's their choice. )

If it comes down to it, I'll simply work from home. Not worth the risk for a lower paying job.

Well, the first public trials of Pfizer, AZ & Modena took place over a year ago now. Those original volunteers have been well studied and joined by another 2.5 billion people some of whom have been vaccinated for over 6 months. Joking aside about receiving 5g or messages from Bill Gates, I'm puzzled as to what you think is going to happen.

@Brittab
The FDA hasn't even approved the COVID vaccine
That's not what the FDA say

[quote Mymapuddlington]@quizqueen I agree. They’re already overwhelmed and short staffed. I’d rather people be cared for by those passionate by care rather than those who have been vaccinated and just want a job.[/quote]
People passionate about caring will see the importance of having a vaccine.

Given how poorly paid care work is, I can't see a lot of people just doing it for the money.

@Roonerspismed

Regarding the earlier nano chat - again, the blind faith placed in “scientists” astounds me

Lots remain unknown about the pharmokinetics of nanoparticles.
Interesting article in this year’s International Journal of Molecular Medicine summarising where we are. I’m amazed at the experimental use of it in billions of people.

It makes me very uncomfortable should there later be longer term neurological issues.

I profoundly hope I’m wrong, I spend far more time worrying about this than I ever did covid

Since you couldn't be arsed to provide a link, here it is:

Towards effective COVID‑19 vaccines: Updates, perspectives and challenges (Review)

It was published in May 2020, long before any of the vaccines entered clinical trials. Here's the conclusion, which contains exactly zero concerns about nanoparticles. Did you leave out the link, hoping no one would bother to look it up?

1. Conclusion and future perspectives

Scientists began working on coronavirus vaccines during SARS and MERS outbreaks, but their efforts did not materialize because of a myriad of difficulties. Since this extremely severe current coronavirus pandemic, COVID-19, the spread of the outbreak appears much broader than was the case for SARS. There is also the possibility of the disease becoming endemic and seasonal in its appearance, according to some investigators. This explains why many research groups and companies are undertaking efforts to develop an effective vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 all over the world, also speeding up all the usual phases needed to develop and test a vaccine in the human.

An important feature in the landscape of vaccine research and development for SARS-COV-2 is represented by the varied range of evaluated technological platforms, including nucleic acids (DNA and RNA), virus-like particles, peptides, viral vector (replicative and non-replicative), recombinant proteins, live attenuated viruses and inactivated viruses. Many of these platforms are not currently the basis of vaccines already authorized, but experience in areas such as oncology encourages developers to exploit new opportunities for increased development and manufacturing speeds.

There is not an effective therapy for severe COVID-19, and social distancing is extremely 'costly' from a social and economic perspective. Therefore, the development of an effective vaccine, along with efforts to implement immune-enhancing strategic treatments and shorter-term efforts to identify tactical repurposed treatments, should be considered major public health priorities. We hope to get this key tool for disease prevention, and to do this quite soon.

It is unknown whether there ever will be a successful SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, but the efforts of the scientific community in attempting to develop such a vaccine is without precedent. Thus, COVID-19 vaccines are a never ending story.

@Jangle33

I hope someone has said the OP should be considering a different career. I can’t believe she wants a career in medicine but won’t follow global medical advice

I had to read that through a few times. How can someone intending to go into medicine be this stupid and this petulant?

And ignorant too, saying there are too many dangers with the vaccines.

The sheer lack of critical thinking on this thread, not just on the part of the OP, is appalling. All this "I don't like being told what to do!" How old are these people?!

@ZednotZee

They should be shot immediately.

Sorry, can you elaborate? I'm uncertain whether you are advocating for mandatory covid shots or actual murder.

Neither, unless I'm very much mistaken.

The person who wrote "They should be shot immediately" is being sarcastic.