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Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

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Maybevaccine · 16/06/2021 18:57

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

OP posts:
proopher · 16/06/2021 19:47

@Maybevaccine

Yes I agree, I'd need to do more research and read about the vaccines. It's just very scary to read about perfectly healthy people getting blood clots and unable to move as soon as they get the vaccine.

To those asking why I want to work with vulnerable people when I'm against the vaccine, well I thought wearing the PPE and getting tested every week was enough? Even before my interview I had to get tested at the care home. I don't know, maybe I was being a bit naive, but I genuinely thought PPE and weekly covid test was OK.

....and the perfectly healthy people (far more than those dying from side effects) dying from covid? You're not worried about that because...?
singsingbluesilver · 16/06/2021 19:47

I don't understand why anyone would want a career in medicine if they don't trust the products it provides?

titchy · 16/06/2021 19:49

@Maybevaccine

Yes I agree, I'd need to do more research and read about the vaccines. It's just very scary to read about perfectly healthy people getting blood clots and unable to move as soon as they get the vaccine.

To those asking why I want to work with vulnerable people when I'm against the vaccine, well I thought wearing the PPE and getting tested every week was enough? Even before my interview I had to get tested at the care home. I don't know, maybe I was being a bit naive, but I genuinely thought PPE and weekly covid test was OK.

Oh FFS. If you're serious about a career in medicine in the future don't get your fucking health news from Facebook. Jesus. Do you really have the capacity for evidence based decision making? Hmm And you'll have to be vaxxed against more that just CV if you enter any sort of healthcare degree.
Pyewackect · 16/06/2021 19:50

Get the vaccine or find another job.

titchy · 16/06/2021 19:50

The phase three trials aren’t completed yet and there are increasing reports of many many side effects and not just clots but migraines, fatigue and neurological issues

Yes they are. They were completed last year. None of the vaccinations currently approved are in trial.

Stop spreading that sort of shit. Angry

baldafrique · 16/06/2021 19:51

Does go to show that masks and PPE obviously are a load of shite!

Flowerlane · 16/06/2021 19:52

@ZednotZee really feel for you, hope you get a job quickly where you are appreciated more. Flowers

A relative of mine is about to give her notice in as the care home she works in have been short staffed for months and have been advertising like mad for staff. They are just about to hold interviews and have already had 5 people cancel their interviews because of the vaccine situation. My relative is on her knees from covering shifts she literally can not go on with being so short staffed. I fear for care homes as the future isn’t looking good for them.

gwenneh · 16/06/2021 19:52

@baldafrique

Does go to show that masks and PPE obviously are a load of shite!
No, just more prone to user error than vaccines.
Heyha · 16/06/2021 19:53

@Maybevaccine

I'll have to get the vaccine aren't I? I mean now that they want to make it compulsory for care workers and NHS, I have to get it. My goal is it get into medicine in 2023, which is why I got this job so I can have some work experience. I literally have no choice as I'm always going to be working in healthcare.
Well that's good because by doing medicine you'll be more educated about how and why vaccines work. Unless you don't fancy a hep B jab either in which case you might need a rethink...
BlatantlyNameChanged · 16/06/2021 19:54

The phase three trials aren’t completed yet and there are increasing reports of many many side effects and not just clots but migraines, fatigue and neurological issues

Which neurological issues are these?

Phase three trials concluded in November. We are currently in Phase four trials which is basically post-release monitoring to check that the medication performs in the wider public in the same way that it did in the clinical trials. Have you ever taken paracetamol? Then you've participated in a phase four drugs trial.

Fluffycloudland77 · 16/06/2021 19:55

Medicines going to require at least a Hep B jab as well plus a blood test to prove immunity, a booster after 10 years, Hep A, up to date tetanus plus you’ll be encouraged to get the flu jab yearly.

I hope you had your childhood ones because you’ll probably come into contact with measles & TB at some point too & those two can really make you ill.

LunaNimbus · 16/06/2021 19:55

My sister works in a care home, was vaccinated way back in December then February so no problems there.

Annoyingly though, several of the residents in the care home refused their vaccine so it does seem unfair for people to lose their jobs or be forced into receiving a vaccine when the people they're caring for still have a choice.

Personally I think everyone should have the vaccine if medically fit but how many people will be forced into unemployment as they choose not to have it and their kids ending up living in poverty with only Universal Credit coming in.

This new policy makes me feel uneasy.

ZednotZee · 16/06/2021 19:56

@jellybeansforbreakfast

I don't have any specific health concerns and I want it to stay that way, hence my refusal to take this new vaccine.
My body needs to last me my whole life, I have five children to provide for and I need to remain well enough to be economically active for as long as possible.

My DM has a myriad of autoimmune disorders and hasn't been able to work for the last fifteen years due to these.
My cousin, who is thirty nine on my paternal side has scleroderma, another IM condition and is awaiting a lung transplant.

I have nursed through outbreaks of covid with PPE which the RCN have admitted are woefully inadequate and I have never tested positive for covid, despite 90% of my colleagues testing positive. The virus is not indiscriminate by any means and I do not feel myself to be at personal risk of contracting it or subsequently transmitting it.

My blood group is O -ve which, according to preliminary findings confers protection. I also follow a ketogenic diet, which again is thought to be a protective factor.

I am exercising my right to make a risk assessment of my own individual circumstances and this leads me to refuse to take the vaccine at this point.

I have a first class honours degree and over a decade of experience in this sector. I will be a great loss to my workplace but my health and bodily autonomy are paramount.

Fuck you Hancock.

BlatantlyNameChanged · 16/06/2021 19:57

Does go to show that masks and PPE obviously are a load of shite!

No, they're not. Infection control is about a belt and braces approach so relies on several different protection mechanisms - PPE, vaccines, good hygiene, etc - as any holes in one safety net will hopefully be blocked by the next and so on and so on to minimise how many slip through the net completely. Look up the Swiss cheese model.

gwenneh · 16/06/2021 19:58

The virus is not indiscriminate by any means and I do not feel myself to be at personal risk of contracting it or subsequently transmitting it.

If that's what you think in distinct and clear opposition to the science that all says otherwise then no, you're not a great loss to your workplace, you're a liability that is thankfully walking away.

Badgercity · 16/06/2021 19:58

I’ve recently had to work several shifts on my own in the care home I work in. The whole sector is massively understaffed.

People will leave, good skilled carers with years of experience.

This decision by the government for force people’s hands will make many carers feel, once again, like they are taking the brunt of the pandemic.

Why not make it compulsory in hospitals first? Because Drs and nurses have unions, that’s why.

Fully vaccinated and pleased to be.

HavelockVetinari · 16/06/2021 19:59

@Maybevaccine

I'll have to get the vaccine aren't I? I mean now that they want to make it compulsory for care workers and NHS, I have to get it. My goal is it get into medicine in 2023, which is why I got this job so I can have some work experience. I literally have no choice as I'm always going to be working in healthcare.
You want to study medicine and become a doctor yet you're not happy to be vaccinated? I don't think you'll make it to med school I'm afraid, it requires strong mathematical skills and an ability to understand and interpret statistics that, unfortunately, you don't appear to have.
Runmybathforme · 16/06/2021 19:59

Vaccines should be mandatory for everyone working in the medical field and with vulnerable people. If you don’t want to listen to the science you’re working in the wrong job.

ZednotZee · 16/06/2021 20:02

The virus isn't indiscriminate. Hardly any are.

I have nursed people who have been asymptomatic despite multiple comorbidities and those with no preexisting conditions excepting age who have died from it. Then there are those who didn't contract it at all.

I believe we should be afforded more transparency regarding the true risk factors for susceptibility and adverse outcomes of covid. We won't get them even if the research has been completed as it simply doesn't fit the narrative.

TSSDNCOP · 16/06/2021 20:03

I firmly believe you have the right to say no to a vaccine. But the decision has to come with accepting all the restrictions that has to bring.

Merryoldgoat · 16/06/2021 20:03

I think it’s embarrassing how bad swathes of our population are at evaluating evidence and making evidence-based decisions.

You have no business going into medicine if you can’t assess and evaluate data.

baldafrique · 16/06/2021 20:03

Will residents also have to have the vaccine? If not, why?

Countrygirl38 · 16/06/2021 20:03

OP, I get you. I haven't and won't have the vaccine. I work in social care although not with older people or are particularly vulnerable to covid. I will leave health and social care rather than have the vaccine.
The country has a big recruitment and retention problem in social care. It is hard work and badly paid. This country can ill afford to lose care workers. There is a bigger picture here. People will suffer if there aren't enough social care workers too.

saveforthat · 16/06/2021 20:05

Genuine question op. As you believe the vaccine is a risk. Do you think noone should have it and everyone should keep dying of covid or are you just selfish and hope the majority will take it up thus protecting you?

NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 16/06/2021 20:05

I think if you really can't cope with the low level of risk associated with this vaccine, having a job in care work with highly vulnerable people is not right for you.