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Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

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Maybevaccine · 16/06/2021 18:57

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

OP posts:
FightingFiles · 16/06/2021 19:29

If you want to get into medicine you will need to learn to read and understand evidence, and assess your sources. This is a good place to start.

gamerchick · 16/06/2021 19:29

@Suzi888

Is this actually going to be made law? I find it bizarre. What about things like chicken poxConfusedshingles is deadly to the elderly but no one is advising to get a pox jab. Not an anti vaxxer- I’ve had my jabs before anyone jumps on. I’m not a carer either. Thousands of care workers will leave- who will care for the elderly then? Of your worried, look after your elderly person yourself - some may say!
You don't catch shingles.

I don't know what to do now

Yes you do OP. Good luck.

Athinginitself · 16/06/2021 19:29

I can understand its difficult but if you are working with really vulnerable people there are some responsibilities around that. I've always assumed that as someone who works for the NHS certain vaccinations had to be uptodate eg. hep b etc, it was certainly checked on before I got the job, for my own safety and that of people I come into contact with.

TrickorTreacle · 16/06/2021 19:30

OP, all of us are collectively trying to subdue this virus. Yes the vaccine isn't perfect, but the higher the vaccine rate in the general population, the better overall.

So it's not just about you OP. It's about everyone. Everyone helping everyone.

As Nike says, just do it!

jellybeansforbreakfast · 16/06/2021 19:31

To be fair @TheGumption and @Wishitsnows in20 minutes OP went form "No. I haven't wanted to get it" to the realisation that she will have to.

It will probably become compulsory for me too, as a trade working in rediential letting. But I am of an age and have had both of mine already. I'll probably have to get the NHS App /covid pass and send that out every year along with my insurance certificates!

WindowsSmindows · 16/06/2021 19:32

Is it easy or difficult to get into medicine as an adult? Will they still look at academic abilities?

DroopyClematis · 16/06/2021 19:34

It's prudent fire employers of people who work closely with vulnerable people to have their workforce vaccinated.
Care workers are more likely to get the virus so getting vaccinated will , hopefully, prevent you from needing , potentially, months off work too.

BeautyQueenIamNot · 16/06/2021 19:34

See I find this very hard, no one should be forced to be vaccinated. We are on a slippery slope…

I am fully vaccinated

Original poster
Maybevaccine · 16/06/2021 19:36

Yes I agree, I'd need to do more research and read about the vaccines. It's just very scary to read about perfectly healthy people getting blood clots and unable to move as soon as they get the vaccine.

To those asking why I want to work with vulnerable people when I'm against the vaccine, well I thought wearing the PPE and getting tested every week was enough? Even before my interview I had to get tested at the care home. I don't know, maybe I was being a bit naive, but I genuinely thought PPE and weekly covid test was OK.

OP posts:
jellybeansforbreakfast · 16/06/2021 19:38

@BeautyQueenIamNot

See I find this very hard, no one should be forced to be vaccinated. We are on a slippery slope…

I am fully vaccinated

We've been on it for years. The difference now will be that it won't be up to other country's or individual employers. The Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984, England and Wales, will be updated and Scotland, NI, will probably follow suit, in part at least.

That's what a pandemic does. It changes health laws. Always has.

Crunchymum · 16/06/2021 19:38

How do they confirm you are vaccinated? What do they expect you to provide as proof?

gwenneh · 16/06/2021 19:39

@BeautyQueenIamNot

See I find this very hard, no one should be forced to be vaccinated. We are on a slippery slope…

I am fully vaccinated

No one's being forced. There are simply pre-requisites for the job. One of those is a vaccine.
BlatantlyNameChanged · 16/06/2021 19:40

When I worked in the NHS I signed a form to give them access to my records as needed, when I had an OccHealth appointment in pregnancy I signed s further form giving them permission to view the relevant parts of my maternity notes. I'd guess they'd use this to pull information as needed.

jellybeansforbreakfast · 16/06/2021 19:41

I don't know, maybe I was being a bit naive, but I genuinely thought PPE and weekly covid test was OK. Your employer, and the government, will be weighing up the cost effectiveness of that, the efficacy and Relative Riskof the vaccines and the sense of increased safety for clients and family.

You aren't being naive as much as you are being short sighted. Covid is not going away any time soon. Repeated testing and additional PPE won't be as effective and/or reassuring as vaccination. And it is quite likely that all three will be a requirement at specific times (new variants etc).

Good luck thinking it through.

Pixxie7 · 16/06/2021 19:42

I understand what your saying but this is about protecting both your clients and yourself as best you can. So you read have very little choice.

jellybeansforbreakfast · 16/06/2021 19:43

@Crunchymum

How do they confirm you are vaccinated? What do they expect you to provide as proof?
?????

Headlines for weeks about an App, the NHS data being extended. Sometimes called a Covid Pass, Passport!

Mumof3girlsandaboy · 16/06/2021 19:43

@Crunchymum

How do they confirm you are vaccinated? What do they expect you to provide as proof?
Some people have the vaccination card that you get after the vaccine and others have the NHS app that you log in and show that you have had your vaccine. We have to show it to the trainers before we started our training last week.
berryhead2013 · 16/06/2021 19:43

@Sirzy this Is exactly what I was going to say you ha e a duty of care that includes protecting the vulnerable from
Outside illness you wouldn't go back to work within 72 hrs of a stomach bug would you?? No as you would t want to pass it on

ZednotZee · 16/06/2021 19:43

I'm a deputy nurse manager within a nursing home.

Currently applying for roles within other sectors as I will not be taking this vaccine.

jellybeansforbreakfast · 16/06/2021 19:44

@ZednotZee

I'm a deputy nurse manager within a nursing home.

Currently applying for roles within other sectors as I will not be taking this vaccine.

Your choice.

I hope it is not because of a specific health issue, as I thought there would be some wriggle room over and above the 16 week timeframe!

Whyhello · 16/06/2021 19:44

DH and I had our vaccines last week, neither of us had any symptoms whatsoever other than a sore arm at the injection site which happens with any injection. I know a fair few people who have had it if all ages and all felt fine including DH’s 86 year old Grandad, he didn’t have symptoms either.

Tired of reading negative scare stories, it’s honestly fine. Blood clots were linked to the AZ vaccine in under 40s, if you’re under 40 you will have Pfizer or moderna.

Roonerspismed · 16/06/2021 19:46

I fully support you OP and I think it is disgusting they are picking in care home staff who have taken the brunt of the pandemic on low pay. Disgusting

Why aren’t we forcing all the residents to
take a vaccine?

The phase three trials aren’t completed yet and there are increasing reports of many many side effects and not just clots but migraines, fatigue and neurological issues

I hope the workers strike

ScruffGin · 16/06/2021 19:47

I think if you're hoping to get into medicine, you need to rethink. There's many other vaccines you are required to have prior to medical school. They also expect you to have an understanding of risk and statistics, which I don't think you currently have. The risks of dying or a blood clot etc are much much higher from actual covid than from the vaccine.

Getting into medicine will screw over your life in many many more ways than the covid vaccine will Grin

gobbynorthernbird · 16/06/2021 19:47

OP, I'm not entirely sure you're a suitable candidate for medicine.

L123A · 16/06/2021 19:47

So get a other job then - it’s your only choice if you won’t be vaccinated