Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

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It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

OP if you've ever taken any contrapcetive pills then I wouldn't worry! There's blood clot risks with those too. And who's to say that the tiny amount of blood clot patients weren't meant to get them naturally?

Im so glad someones leaving the sector over this-ketogenics and blood types -we dont need that sort of twattery in the nhs

Who knew that weeding out the woo types would be an unexpected side effect of the vaccine?

@Crunchymum

How do they confirm you are vaccinated? What do they expect you to provide as proof?

They tattoo your forehead with a letter V in neon pink. You must have noticed them, Millions of people in the country vaccinated now.

(You get a card showing the date and batch of the vaccine you have had.)

Take it you haven’t had yours yet.

It didnt quote but you know who i was referring too

As for op well you'll need 3 i think it is vaccines apart from this one anyway to work in medicine so id say lookinto it or choose a different profession

Get the vaccine stop being so selfish and placing people at risk when you are supposed to be looking after them

If you don't care about the health of other people you're entering the wrong profession OP. Perhaps you'd better look for something else where you don't have daily contact with vulnerable people?

@BlatantlyNameChanged

Im so glad someones leaving the sector over this-ketogenics and blood types -we dont need that sort of twattery in the nhs

Who knew that weeding out the woo types would be an unexpected side effect of the vaccine?

Indeed

@AffableApple

I'm sure that the main reason we're hearing about blood clots is because men are having the vaccine. Women have put up with a higher risk of clots from oral contraceptives for years.

It's up to you if you have the vaccine or not, but you couldn't work on the front line if you didn't, as that wouldn't be fair on vulnerable people.

The risk of blood clots from contraceptive is discussed at every renewal appointment, or should be. I am now in my mid 40's and have been fully aware of the blood clot issue with contraceptive since I started on the pill at 16.

I haven't been able to use oral contraceptives for the last 15 years due to
Blood clot risk.

It's a known risk and women make that decision every day based on their perception of risk. Why is it that people can't then make that decision for vaccines?

YABU. Find a different job. And it doesn't sound like the medical profession is for you either.

Here's how this debate is working out in American courts:

Judge tosses Houston hospital workers' lawsuit over vaccine requirement

Jennifer Bridges, a nurse and the lead plaintiff in the case, had argued that if she was fired for refusing a vaccine, it should be considered wrongful termination. She also said the vaccines are experimental and dangerous.

The judge did not find merit in either argument.

"Methodist is trying to do their business of saving lives without giving them the COVID-19 virus," Hughes wrote in a five-page decision. "It is a choice made to keep staff, patients and their families safer.

"Bridges can freely choose to accept or refuse a Covid-19 vaccine; however, if she refuses, she will simply need to work somewhere else."

It's a known risk and women make that decision every day based on their perception of risk. Why is it that people can't then make that decision for vaccines?

They can. And much like women who make the decision to take an alternative contraception, they are free to decide on an alternative profession.

Get the vaccine or get a new job? It's not all about you, if you're in a caring role, unfortunately. It's about them. If caring isn't for you, then move on and find another job.

Wait. You want to go into medicine? Sounds like this is the ideal time for a rethink.

Just get it.

There are plenty of other vaccine requirements that I'm sure you'll already meet for other diseases.

Fairly certain that the greatest scientific minds around the world aren't all in cahoots to make us magnetic or depopulate the planet. Maybe, just maybe, they want to save lives and end the pandemic.

You're 10 times more likely to get a clot from covid than the vaccine so that's all you need to think about in terms of clots.

Long covid is also a thing you may want to avoid.

It would appear that some people are in the health care sector without the best intention ie to care about the health of others.

In addition are none of these care workers thinking ahead to the future when they may be old enough to require care themselves?

As far as I am aware the vaccination have more health benefits than issues and protect those vaccinated first and foremost then those in their immediate physical contact bubble. Yes there are medical exceptions but if no one gets vaccinated what happens then? It should however also be a free choice based on education of all the best information as known and despite the incalculable costs of research be administered without extra out of pocket expenditure to the recipient.

To apply for medicine you need to follow the science and calculate risk/benefit - that’s what we do all day for patients: if you’re under 40, you won’t get offered AZ (has small risk VITT) so safe. If you’re over 40 you should calculate your risk of death from covid- it will be higher. Then you need to think about why you want to do medicine or nursing - and the fact you need to protect your colleagues and patients. First rule of hypocratic oath- do no harm. Not being vaccinated is harmful.
The notion that PPE and Lateral flow is enough is crazy- think of number of dead healthcare workers and care home residents. It’s insulting to enter those environments without vaccine. Long covid is miserable too. Whilst it’s good not to be a sheep- you seem to be slow at thinking about this.

I'm not sure you're clever enough for medicine.

@Sadsiblingatsea

I don’t blame you OP. This vaccine has too many side effects.

Does it? Nobody I know has had any.

You’ll find as you research that the risks of the vaccine are v small compared to covid. Assuming you are under 40 you will not be given AZ. (Although I think the issues with Az are on the way to being sorted).

@Fluffycloudland77

Medicines going to require at least a Hep B jab as well plus a blood test to prove immunity, a booster after 10 years, Hep A, up to date tetanus plus you’ll be encouraged to get the flu jab yearly.

I hope you had your childhood ones because you’ll probably come into contact with measles & TB at some point too & those two can really make you ill.

MMR/BCG, too. They're a condition of employment for admin staff who never see a patient. Certainly were in 2010 when I last worked bank shifts, at any rate.

Mind you, testing/vaccination against such things is also a condition of receiving some medications - I couldn't start Biologics until they'd confirmed I'd had my childhood vaccinations and boosters, flu jab, pneumonia jab and had a blood test and chest x-ray to establish I was immune to TB and didn't have latent TB waiting to come back as soon as I started the medication; had there been no immunity - vaccination, had there been latent TB - six month course of treatment before starting meds. It's almost as if they think that vaccination is vital to protect the health of staff and patients and clearly outweighs the risks of any negative side effects.

I do believe in bodily autonomy if you are absolutely determined not to have the vaccine. However, the obvious consequence of that is not to expose the most clinically vulnerable in society to the dangers of your choices. So please do the responsible thing and turn down the job offer.

If everybody thought like you OP, how do you see this pandemic of a novel virus panning out? You’d be happy for years of lockdowns, economic meltdown and millions more deaths globally? You probably wouldn’t have a job or a sector anyway as most elderly people would be wiped out.

What makes you so special you think you don’t have to do your bit to help bring this to an end?

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

It's okay them having these rules and barking out these orders. However The Government will look well if there's a,massive walk out. Yes I know people can easily be replaced but how long would that take.

I was talking to a friend who works as a carer earlier. She was worried that vaccine refuseniks leaving care work might lead to staff shortages.

As we talked it through, it dawned on us both that if that happens, and given that the sector has minimum staffing levels, the care sector might have to start paying care staff decent money, thus benefitting those that are left.

Health care staff have plenty of vaccines to work in the NHS, it's not new it's just adding one and including care homes. I had to have bloody loads as a student nurse as my parents randomly missed so many vaccines. I think it took 8 months for me to have them all!

Vulnerable people have the right to be protected as best as possible in their own homes.

@whynotwhatknot

Im so glad someones leaving the sector over this-ketogenics and blood types -we dont need that sort of twattery in the nhs

I honestly am still laughing.

Front line health worker here who got their vaccine the first day available. Science is great!