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My Pregnancy, My Wine and DH.

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ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 11:44

I’ve namechanged for this but I’ve been around a long time.

Last night DH and I went out for dinner. I’m 6 months pregnant. It was a lovely local Italian place and he ordered a Peroni, I ordered a glass of Prosecco. It was fairly late because he’d watched the first half of the football in the pub after work first, and I’d joined him later, so he’d already had a fair few pints beforehand.

For context, I have been having the odd (125ml) glass of wine or champagne or Prosecco approx once a week (occasionally twice, but I wouldn’t have two drinks on the same night) since I was 16 weeks or so. I felt too ropey before that to contemplate it. Always have the drink with food, always sip very slowly. I was big into wine before I got pregnant and after doing a lot of research (I do have the Emily Oster book but I read lots more research and have come to the conclusion that it’s a negligible ‘risk’ on such a small scale and felt comfortable with my decision. We are talking 1.5 units here.

DH was a bit quiet after I ordered the Prosecco. We had a nice meal and walked home, he then made himself a gin and tonic, and I had a fake version with an M&S seedlip rip off. I asked him if he was ok and why he’d been a bit off. He then said he had ‘come to terms’ with me having the odd drink at home but he’d felt really uncomfortable with me ordering anything alcoholic out in public, because I was visibly pregnant, and he was really worried about what other people in the restaurant were thinking.

I didn’t notice any judgement, and never have, but frankly I wouldn’t care if there was. He also reminded me of the time we had some family round and I had a glass of champagne, and said he’d felt unhappy about it then too.

The reasons he is giving are that he knows of no one who drank in pregnancy (bar our own mothers who drank according to the guidelines in the mid 80’s at the time) and he thinks a big reason I do it is to ‘challenge’ the patriarchy and to go against the rules, not because I truly fancy a glass of wine. This is bullshit but I have ranted before about pregnant woman being infantilised and deemed not capable of critical thought. We don’t really actually know many other friends that have gone through pregnancy either, but he maintains they would have cut out all alcohol. Yes I know what the NHS guidelines say but I’m of the opinion that they say ‘none at all’ because it’s safer than ‘trusting’ women to not underestimate the units in a glass of wine etc or use it as an excuse to binge. Which I would absolutely never do. I know what a unit is.

For what it’s worth I’ve cut down, but not eliminated, caffeine, and I eat soft cheese and Parma ham too, and I have my steak rare or medium-rare.

He is now saying that the drinking is not something he’s comfortable with anymore and just because I have a book that says it’s fine I just have no way to know if we’ve put our unborn son at risk or not, and if he was pregnant he wouldn’t touch a drop. He can’t handle me ordering a drink in public anymore as it just makes him feel too uncomfortable- it didn’t so much when I didn’t have a bump but he hates the fact that ‘people are judging and looking at us’ now that I do.

I fully expect to get some replies about how he’s right and I am being reckless with my pregnancy, and that it’s only 9 months and why can’t I just cut it out all together, and the answer is, I had weighed up or thought I’d weighed up, whether I truly I had to, and considered myself to be in very safe limits. I like the taste of good wine and the foods it goes with. Yes I’ve tried alcohol free wine and it’s rank, I’d be more likely to cut everything out than drink pretend versions.

So I’ve just woke up this morning upset that he’s had all these thoughts about me causing harm to our baby (for what it’s worth I had a miscarriage before this pregnancy, and I know that was not down to alcohol as I hadn’t drunk at all as I lost it in the first trimester, so it didn’t affect my decision to have the odd drink in this pregnancy) and also that he’s inflicting other peoples judgments on me and just generally making me feel really bad. He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking.

So hit me with it- am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
AnUnoriginalUsername · 12/06/2021 12:47

@ChangePart1

I did ask him if he’d like to take away my morning coffee too, and if I should have taken that paracetamol when I had a headache on Wednesday, or ordered the prawns because I fancied them, but that’s all fine apparently.

Because under 200mg daily of caffeine is fine. Paracetamol is safe.

I originally thought you were being quite measured and reasonable about your alcohol use but the defensiveness and pulling in recognised safe pregnancy behaviours as a kind of gotcha attempt is making you seem more and more focused on continuing to drink. Even if you’re ‘only’ drinking weekly or twice weekly that’s a bit of a concern to be honest.

Only you can decide whether your husband’s comfort level and care for his baby is more or less important than needing or wanting to have a drink.

I also find the resentment towards him being able to keep drinking because he isn’t carrying your baby kind of strange. You sound so resentful and angry that your body is the one being inconvenienced by this pregnancy. It is a big adjustment realising you’re sharing your body with another person and that your actions and behaviours don’t just affect you anymore, but most people manage because they recognise it’s for a short time and in the service of growing and protecting a baby that they love or hope to love once they’re born.

Very well said. I think you're drinking quite a bit, more than I drank prebaby. It sounds like alcohol is a big presence in both your lives tbh, if you're not willing to stop drinking while pregnant I don't see how either of you will be willing to not drink when your baby is born.
Nightbear · 12/06/2021 12:48

It’s your choice to drink it. Would you consider drinking it at home rather than in public? However reasonable or unreasonable of him it might be, it’s making him feel self conscious. He’s probably expecting you to be challenged/refused service at some point and there being a big scene.

awaketoosoon · 12/06/2021 12:48

Did your DH reduce his alcohol intake & improve his diet leading up to conception?

I got chastised once by a HCP for not taking folic acid for months before me pregnancy. We literally decided on the weekend to try & it happened, how could I have planned that!

Tubbs99 · 12/06/2021 12:49

@ThymeCrisis I’d be more concerned that he’s setting you up to take the blame should your child be far from perfect. If he was that bothered he would stop drinking as well to “support” you. He’s not. He just wants to save face in public. You do what’s right for you.

awaketoosoon · 12/06/2021 12:50

I'm also half French so it's not the taboo there.

supadupapupascupa · 12/06/2021 12:50

Tricky. I didn't because I didn't view my baby to be just my baby. I was custodian for DH too. He never said a word but I knew that if he was carrying he would not have touched a drop either. No problem, just drank something else.

Mummyoflittledragon · 12/06/2021 12:52

I do not agree with the posters, who say he has a say in the amount of alcohol you consume based on the amount you are drinking.

That said, I only had two alcoholic drinks throughout my pregnancy and felt pretty bad for doing that tbh. So on that basis, I personally wouldn’t take the risks that you are or eating the food.

I have voted YANBU. BUT I would perhaps take this thread as a wake up call that actually you could drink less. It’s only for a few more months.

I also think it’s odd that you resent your dh for being able to do what he can’t right now. That’s going to continue after the birth too. Maybe take some time to talk about working together?… including how it will work once the baby is here.

ElspethFlashman · 12/06/2021 12:52

And I think it's a ridiculous argument to say "the audacity of him when he was a bit pissed" unless he's currently on medical advice not to drink.

awaketoosoon · 12/06/2021 12:52

I will also say the NHS advice is often quite mixed in relation to alcohol in general. A relative recently had heart surgery & is on a fair bit of medication. The medication says don't have alcohol. When he was discharged the consultants went through everything with him & said a small glass of red wine a wk was a good thing.

CynsterBitch · 12/06/2021 12:52

For balance, my mum also smoked through her pregnancy with me, and while breastfeeding me (there are pictures in my baby album of me being breastfeed on the couch with her while she smokes) I was an average sized baby, no health issues, grew up to to be above average height woman 5f10”, if it stunted my growth thank god for that.
Anyway for every anecdote there is an opposite experience, not really helpful to anyone. OP has done her research and is happy with what she is doing, her DH has gone no further than the NHS website and the opinion of those around them. Maybe he should make an effort and do some research into pregnancy as well, sounds like OP is doing all the hard work here.
Enjoy your Prosecco @ThymeCrisis

Tubbs99 · 12/06/2021 12:52

Oh and FWIW I drank wine occasionally during both pregnancies and both kids are healthy, NT, and out performing their peers. Doesn’t mean I’m suggesting that every pregnant woman has a night on the lash!

Jasmine11 · 12/06/2021 12:53

I can see both sides really. It's his baby too so if he's not comfortable with you drinking then I think it's ok for him to raise it. But on the other hand it's your body and if you've weighed up the risks then ultimately it's up to you. Personally I didn't drink at all during pregnancy but I have friends who had the odd glass here and there. I don't remember feeling particularly strongly in terms of judging them, but they weren't carrying my child so your husband is perfectly within reason to have an opinion.

If you are saying he's ruined your one pleasure you have to look forward to through then I do think you are being a bit dramatic- maybe treat yourself to something else like a new book or something.

Viviennemary · 12/06/2021 12:53

Can't you just not have a drink. I just don't get it.

Cocogreen · 12/06/2021 12:54

When anyone says they've "done their research" ( looked at the internet and found a few sites to back up their opinion which is normally unpopular) I can't help but eyeroll a bit.
Current health advice worldwide is that zero alcohol while pregnant is best.
Your husband should have raised his concerns months ago, it's a bit late to start judging you now. So for that yes he is BU.

ThymeCrisis · 12/06/2021 12:55

I didn’t say ‘one’ pleasure. (Did I?!) I said ‘a’ pleasure that I look forward to. The same way someone might look forward to a bacon sandwich on a Saturday morning or a bar of chocolate in the bath. Yes of course I can do other things for pleasure to, I realise that, I do them frequently.

OP posts:
Tubbs99 · 12/06/2021 12:56

@awaketoosoon

I will also say the NHS advice is often quite mixed in relation to alcohol in general. A relative recently had heart surgery & is on a fair bit of medication. The medication says don't have alcohol. When he was discharged the consultants went through everything with him & said a small glass of red wine a wk was a good thing.
I read that moderate drinkers of red wine have better health outcomes than teetotallers.
Zari29 · 12/06/2021 12:56

You are trying very hard to justify yourself. Some weeks you are having 2 drinks - that's just wrong no matter how much research you think makes it right.

TedHastingsweeDonkey · 12/06/2021 12:57

Maybe you should find pleasure in the fact that you are nurturing a little human inside of you and giving them the best possible start in life. Yes it's your body, you decide what you put in it. But there is life growing inside of you. So it's not just you, is it? Also, you say you take the small risk. Small risk of a drink, small risk of rare stake, small risk of Parma ham. Seems to be a lot to small risks there. I am sure you can make your own mind up and decide for you what you can and can't have but I actually do not blame your husband here...you rent your body out for 9 months and baby should come first. Their health should be a priority. Yeah a sip of drink every now and then, but definitely not on a regular basis. Not because of what other people do, or judgment, but for the sake of your unborn child.

randomkey123 · 12/06/2021 12:57

It's your choice OP, and it will be you that lives with any consequences of your choices no matter how "informed" you think you are.

MRex · 12/06/2021 12:57

I think he's being unreasonable to get upset about you ordering when you're out, then turning into something that might affect the baby. Either he's genuinely concerned about the baby, in which case he'd be upset at home too, or he's just worried about appearances - in which case he needs to grow much bigger balls before he has a toddler out in public for his parenting to be judged. Suggesting you might harm the baby without good reason is cruel though and of course you're upset, he should be apologising for that. First trimester and last few weeks of pregnancy it's good to avoid alcohol, a unit here or there is fine otherwise if you're limiting it as much as you say. You two are clearly planning to be in this for the long haul as you're having a baby, so you need to sit down and get on the same page. Let him know how much he hurt you and work this one out. Good luck x

Crispychillibeef · 12/06/2021 12:57

I've done everything by the book during all my pregnancies and why wouldn't I? You say you don't like the insinuation that you might have caused harm to your child but it's a very real risk.

I've never understood why people can't sacrifice certain things for 9 short months - especially alcohol.

awaketoosoon · 12/06/2021 12:58

He’s said that if the child has behavioural difficulties down the line then he can’t rule out that it could be down to drinking
Some studies link behavioural problems to the quality of male sperm. It's just not really highlighted as much.

therearenogoodusernamesleft · 12/06/2021 12:58

If he's ruined drinking for you, then it's because you feel judged by him...no? And yet you don't like him feeling judged by others for it?

I can see both sides, but he obviously has an investment in the outcome here too, so I don't think it's as straightforward as 'I've weighed up the risks and it's my choice'.

I also don't see that it's a particular hardship to give up drinking for a while, but I would expect him to make an effort with you.

That said, if I were on a diet, I wouldn't begrudge my partner eating treats either.

drpet49 · 12/06/2021 12:58

@Tubbs99

@ThymeCrisis I’d be more concerned that he’s setting you up to take the blame should your child be far from perfect. If he was that bothered he would stop drinking as well to “support” you. He’s not. He just wants to save face in public. You do what’s right for you.**

^Why should the husband give up drinking? Is OP incapable of doing it herself? She is a grown woman who should take responsibility.

Yeah, you do whats right for you OP. Forget about your baby’s health Hmm

Ickythefirebobby · 12/06/2021 12:59

I can’t understand anyone choosing to drink alcohol whilst pregnant. Your husband is probably right about people judging. It’s not an acceptable thing to do.

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