AIBU to think Maya scored a victory for common sense today?

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twitter.com/MForstater/status/1402922169559044096?s=20

news.sky.com/story/maya-forstater-woman-who-lost-job-over-transgender-views-wins-appeal-against-employment-tribunal-12329249

The law just cannot be allowed to tell people what to think.

Hurrah for Maya!

Absolutely. It's scary how close we came to this being a possibility (not being able to say sex is real, binary and matters). Thank you to the women who are braver than me, who stood up and who stopped this happening. Maya, your views are worthy of respect.

Hurrah for Maya!

We won't be silenced.

I know I should be pleased but really I'm just scared at how we came to the point of this needing to be appealed in the first place?

Absolutely! I am shocked by how many people seem to think that women are people too.

YANBU

Hopefully Marion Miller will be acquitted too.

YANBU

It's wonderful to have this clarified

No one can be forced to profess a belief they do not hold like "transwomen are women"

@BarbarianMum

I know I should be pleased but really I'm just scared at how we came to the point of this needing to be appealed in the first place?

Yes! It is frightening that common sense had to go to court.

Exactly. To people thinking that this will have a negative impact on trans people, listen to Joanna Cherry QC explaining how this will not allow hate speech or other discrimination, but will protect the belief that sex is real and important (a main gender critical idea) and will stop people being able to discriminate against gender critical people.

Would probably help if I say where! At 8.47 am on the Today Progamme on Radio 4

The original judgement seemed such an affront to reality that’s it’s such a relief to hear that her appeal has been successful.

It's good news, the problem is getting the actual truth of what happened and what she was fighting for to break through all the disinformation out there.

So proud of Maya. She has been dignified and gone high when others have gone low and revealed their true colours.

Common sense may be too 'common' for some in the academic community. Edinburgh University actually tell their staff that “reasonable concerns” is itself “a big red flag phrase” when used by women.

Lady Fidget I think you've got your terminology muddled up. Trans women refers to male people who believe they have a feminine gender identity. I think you are referring to trans men, who are biologically female, whilst affecting a male appearance.
I understand how you could be confused given the terminology.

That's your belief ladyfidget which you are entitled to hold. Equally, I'm also allowed to believe that sex is real and therefore not share your belief.

That's the point of today's ruling (from what I understand).

LadyFidgetAndHerHandbag

That's what the judgement today was all about.

We don't need to learn anything.

It's a perfectly legitimate belief to say that sex is binary, it's real, it's based on biology (how else could it be a protected characteristic was one of the conclusions today).

And any detriment suffered to people who hold this belief, can be subject to legal recourse.

@LadyFidgetAndHerHandbag

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Have you read the judgment?

Ah that was an untimely deleted post - it was there when I quoted it!

@LadyFidgetAndHerHandbag happy to discuss the judgment once you’ve read and digested it.

@MouseyTheVampireSlayer

Lady Fidget I think you've got your terminology muddled up. Trans women refers to male people who believe they have a feminine gender identity. I think you are referring to trans men, who are biologically female, whilst affecting a male appearance. I understand how you could be confused given the terminology.

Given that Maya's stated belief is that "trans women aren't women" I think I've got my terminology correct.

Hang on, I've been deleted? What the fuck for?

It’s a relief but how deep is the instructional capture that a woman has to go to court to defend her belief in biology.

Well she's right though.

@LadyFidgetAndHerHandbag

Hang on, I've been deleted? What the fuck for?

Seriously

You dont know why?