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AIBU to think Maya scored a victory for common sense today?

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DancesWithTortoises · 10/06/2021 11:29

twitter.com/MForstater/status/1402922169559044096?s=20

news.sky.com/story/maya-forstater-woman-who-lost-job-over-transgender-views-wins-appeal-against-employment-tribunal-12329249

The law just cannot be allowed to tell people what to think.

Hurrah for Maya!

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/06/2021 12:47

Her courage, steadfastedness and calmness are awe inspiring.

Igmum · 10/06/2021 12:47

Brilliant. And about time too. We were careering towards a world where doctors, Police and kids taking GCSE Biology wouldn't be allowed to name the sexes. Crazy. Thank heavens for Maya

augustusglupe · 10/06/2021 12:51

Well done Maya!! Why was this not bigger news!? It's the first time I've heard this. Anyway, great news..onwards!!

osbertthesyrianhamster · 10/06/2021 12:52

Thank you, Maya!

zen1 · 10/06/2021 12:54

Yanbu - yay for Maya! It’s been a long time coming.

334bu · 10/06/2021 12:54

Flowers Thank you Maya for standing up for the truth.

Datun · 10/06/2021 12:56

Witch hunting has been alive and kicking in recent years, demonising, cancelling, getting women sacked, death threats, rape threats, kicking teeth in threats, getting punched at speakers corner, blocked from entering meeting, hounded down streets after meetings, banging on windows at meetings, court cases, threatened court cases, police been called on them, being arrested, and generally ruining women lives.

It's mind-boggling, isn't it? It also included a bomb threat, which the police classed as credible, I believe.

We're half the population, with voting rights, ffs.

And the leader of the opposition has just said he supports self ID. How did hating women become so publicly acceptable?

CatChant · 10/06/2021 12:57

Not in the least U. I am so relieved and thankful.

Truth will out. Thank you, Maya.

peadarm · 10/06/2021 13:01

@FOJN
*Err this might have something to do with it.

terfisaslur.com/*
That site represents the very worst of a distinctively male misogyny. Women do not casually threaten women with rape and extreme violence.

There is also the matter of biologically male sex offenders identifying as women to gain access to women: one of the most chilling things for women is that mainstream politicians like Lisa Nandy referred in this specific context to the "deep, deep hurt" caused to such offenders by denying them access to women's prisons.

SeaShoreGalore · 10/06/2021 13:01

Kier Starmer believes in self ID?!?!

Oh dear.

alreadytaken · 10/06/2021 13:02

@LadyFidgetAndHerHandbag A "gender identity" is a social concept and one many people feel belongs back in the 1950s. Choosing to identify with archaic ideas about you think women and men are does not change your biological sex.

Biologically I am female. I dont identify with your ideas about gender at all. In your reality I guess I'd be non-binary as are most of the people I know, although some may see themselves as more feminine than masculine and some as more masculine than feminine.

Children may feel they have to tell others what to think, adults learn that you can disagree with someone and not hate them for it, or try to get them fired for it.

These outdated stereotypes are why female children now get sexually harassed at school and adult women threatened with rape for their opinions. They are mysogynist and homophobic.

Annasgirl · 10/06/2021 13:03

@ShowOfHands

We are not raped because of our feelings.

We are not paid less because of an internal identity.

FGM doesn't happen because we think female thoughts.

Forced marriage doesn't occur because of assignation of gender at birth.

My 14yr old daughter is not groped at school because she identifies with a gender role.

Our oppression is because of our bodies and so must be our protections.

And we need to keep repeating this over and over.

So delighted for all of you in the UK. Meanwhile in Ireland, gender is the protected characteristic 😱 in law, not sex. So Irish women are being fed to the wolves as usual.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 10/06/2021 13:04

Wonderful news! :)

HermioneWeasley · 10/06/2021 13:06

I note Fidget has not been back to give us their objective and non circular definition of “women”

jellybeansforbreakfast · 10/06/2021 13:07

Radio2 news is repeating a simple statement - in a slightly puzzled voice Grin

WarriorN · 10/06/2021 13:08

@SeaShoreGalore

Kier Starmer believes in self ID?!?!

Oh dear.

The juxtaposition of yesterday's PN KS statement and today's ruling are painful.

Clymene · 10/06/2021 13:11

@HermioneWeasley

I note Fidget has not been back to give us their objective and non circular definition of “women”
Gone very quiet around here hasn't it?
MilkLady02 · 10/06/2021 13:12

Women have XX sex chromosomes, men have XY. Trans women have XY. If in thousands of years archaeologists dig up the remains of a trans woman and run a DNA test, they will conclude the body is male. It’s biology. My definition of woman/female is XX chromosomes.

Thelnebriati · 10/06/2021 13:12

YANBU. Strange days when people have to defend their 'belief' in reality and widely accepted facts.

findyourbacon · 10/06/2021 13:12

This is a great result for Maya and for women.

Thank you Maya for your bravery x

Mumoftwoinprimary · 10/06/2021 13:13

[quote CandyLeBonBon]@LadyFidgetAndHerHandbag you are allowed to believe that transwomen are women. Others now are also allowed to say that whilst they respect a person's right to present in a way that makes them feel must comfortable in their own skin, that does not mean they believe that by so presenting, it makes them women as one who is born biologically as a woman.

Just as I don't believe that the wafer and wine in the catholic faith are ACTUALLY the body and blood of Christ (nor do I believe in God at all in fact) But I recognise your right to do so.

Stating material reality that sex is real, binary and matters is not transphobic but if you choose to believe that Transwomen are women, that is your right. There are also people who believe the earth is flat. I also disagree but recognise that they are allowed to believe that.

Does that help? [/quote]
This is a brilliant explanation.

ChrisOnTheBeach · 10/06/2021 13:13

Ooooh, I just heard about this. FAB news! Grin

placemats · 10/06/2021 13:14

Congratulations Maya.

Huge thanks to you and your team.

Whatwouldscullydo · 10/06/2021 13:15

6 percent think that a believe in biology shouldn't be accepted in law?

Blimey, if sex isn't real then what are people transitioning to or from?

Well done mama. You are amazing

Whatwouldscullydo · 10/06/2021 13:15

Maya