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To wonder what everyone is so busy with?

244 replies

JT1994 · 04/06/2021 12:06

Or am I just too sociable? I’m 27 and the only single friend but not desperately seeking a relationship. I seem to be, 95% of the time, the only one suggesting plans/enthusiastic about actually doing ANYTHING. I work ful time Monday to Friday, as do most of my friends, except one who doesn’t work much but still never has time or makes effort to see us. She goes off on weekends with her partner which is cool but during the week I’m not sure what she’s so busy with as she has recently moved to the area and isnt hanging out with lots of other friends. It just seems like she can’t really be bothered or just doesn’t want to hang out?

And other friends have other things on top of work (no kids yet) as do I.. but it seems like maybe I just prioritise friends and socialising and doing fun stuff more? Especially now the weather is good. And it’s not that I’m suggesting big wild nights out, that’s not what any of us are really into. Would just love to feel like people are actually keen and enthusiastic for things. I get so excited for an evening at the beach with a bbq or picnic and my friends and to some of them it just seems like they’d prefer to be sat at home watching tv or scrolling social media???

Sometimes the group chat actually really gets me down, purely because I feel like it takes the joy out of things for me, kinda p*ssing on my bonfire feeling. I love my friends but I wish they’d be a bit more enthusiastic and excited and keen about things! Do they just use all that up on their boyfriends or what? Maybe I’ll find out eventually Grin

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SkodaKodiaq · 04/06/2021 15:59

@Moonshine11

My group don’t tend to do much through the week, other than the odd dinner etc. We all have work, general life stuff through the week. Come weekend, we make plans if we aren’t already committed to something else or partners. Sometimes people just don’t want to do stuff and giving the past year I think it’s harder for people to get the up and go again.
Your 'group?!' Are you 12?!
MMMarmite · 04/06/2021 16:00

@Hurr8cane84

Your problem is being single when everyone else is coupled up. I had the same problem when I found myself single all of a sudden at the age of 29. People prioritize time with their partners. They're at work all day, they need to exercise, cook, buy houses, take care of family relationships, do hobbies etc, and when they have a spare night they'd rather spend it with their other half. Surely you understand that? It really is disappointing but your lives change massively in your late 20s. So you just need to start dating I'm afraid.
Or get different friends! It's crazy to suggest that the only solution is to join a couple, even if you don't want to.

Yes some people will have less time as they grow older, but there are plenty of people of all ages, some single and some coupled up, who are very social. You just need to find them.

Gwenhwyfar · 04/06/2021 16:02

@Manzanilla55

I would just join groups and expect way less out of any friends coupled up. Seems easier to achieve to me.
We singles definitely need other single friends, that's for sure. I joined a social group to meet other singles and those people were obviously available and interested in going out. I think it did attract some loud personalities that I didn't get along with though and if you go out in a group like that, you have no control over who will be there. Best case scenario is that you make real friends from it.
Taliskerskye · 04/06/2021 16:03

There are people in life who’s main aim is to get couples up. It seems the right thing to do. They’re not massively interested in having lots of things to do or lots of friends.

I have a friend who is 30s all with kids they are always hanging out having bbqs. It’s a close group but they all like doing things.

All I will say is you have not yet found your tribe. If your friends are childless and still not fussed about doing anything but hanging out with their DP it will only get worse as you get older.

I suggest getting out there and finding people who are like you.

Mumsnet also seems to be a place filled with competitive “I hate doing anything - I’m so busy- family time is more important” which is fine. But it’s not really like that in real life.

cabingirl · 04/06/2021 16:11

Depending on the couples - along with everything else mentioned by others there's often a lot of negotiating over time - when you have to take into account both partners' schedules. Your work, his work, your family, his family, your shared and individual house/chore responsibilities, date nights, his exercise schedule, your exercise schedule, your hobbies, his hobbies etc etc.

It's not as easy to be spontaneous for some couples than when they were single.

Is this a new feeling for you - that they are not enthusiastic about meeting up? It could be down to a changing life stage as they partnered up, it could be down to ongoing feelings and needs after the pandemic (work and money worries can make people feel stressed at the idea of wasting time on 'fun' when they are anxoius about debt etc)

You just might be outgrowing each other in terms of what you like out of life.

SaltAndVinegarSandwiches · 04/06/2021 16:17

I do think in a couple there's less motivation to socialise during the week especially.after work I'm tired and although it's nice to have a chat I can get that at home do would rather not socialise (obviously if a friend needed me I'd make the effort but it wouldn't be my preference). I'm also more if an introvert so I'm happy socialising less than extravert friends. It's not like my life is too filled up with exciting activities I just like alot if down time.

ashmts · 04/06/2021 16:22

@ChicChaos

ashmts I didn't read ellpellwood's post the same way as you at all - she was saying the opposite!
I don't think so? I said couples can make separate plans and she said well she doesn't want to, she'd rather spend every spare moment of her life with her husband.

@Ellpellwood *Howl all you want, love. We've managed pretty well for 20 years.

My point, not that you can arsed to take it in the midst of your mirth, is that plenty of people in the thread said that single people have homes, family and work too. But they don't have the addition of a partner to, for want of a better phrase, find time for.*

That's not your point though is it? You're saying you have loads of free evenings and weekends if you take your partner out of the equation, but you're unwilling to do that so basically have no free time for your friends. And you're using that as a justification for why OP's friends are too busy.
I think spending all my free time with one person would be hell, and that if you fail to prioritise friendships it'll no longer be an issue because you won't have any. Anyway, I'm away to get ready for the pub. You enjoy your Friday night board games 'love'

Gwenhwyfar · 04/06/2021 16:28

"Depending on the couples - along with everything else mentioned by others there's often a lot of negotiating over time - when you have to take into account both partners' schedules. Your work, his work, your family, his family, your shared and individual house/chore responsibilities, date nights, his exercise schedule, your exercise schedule, your hobbies, his hobbies etc etc."

Even a couple with no children?

Ellpellwood · 04/06/2021 16:29

I am unwilling to take my partner out of the equation, yes. I think the law frowns upon that. Grin

I'm off to the cinema actually, and thanks, I will. Don't forget your mask and I hope you've booked!

Gwenhwyfar · 04/06/2021 16:32

"I do think in a couple there's less motivation to socialise during the week especially.after work I'm tired and although it's nice to have a chat I can get that at home "

Yes. I remember being in a group in the pub once and one of the men saying "would I have come out in the rain to come here if I had a fiance at home? - no". Obviously, there's less motivation to go out. Also, at your age, I presume some are saving to buy a house or just saving money and that's easier if you don't have to go out just to speak to someone.

Ellpellwood · 04/06/2021 16:32

Just to add though - you've no idea why I'd have more free time if I'd never met DH. It's not because we have lovely couple time every day, but because we now have some joint responsibilities for the ill family members I mentioned. Hilarious, right.

girl71 · 04/06/2021 16:38

I understand exactly what you mean OP. I think what it boils down to is that they are ultimately not alone. You walk on yr own, holiday alone, evenings alone. I am a lone parent, only one DC left at home now but they are late teens. I, like you , do everything above alone as everyone i know is also often "very busy". I am outgoing like you so, when i ask my friends if they would like to meet up i get the same kind of responses as you. What i am really trying to say to my friends is hey, i haven't had any grown up company for a while, and apart from work , have had no down time /conversation at all for months. Lets have a gin and pass some hours away. People often say if you are feeling alone, reach out to people. I have only ever reached out to people twice in my entire life and both times nothing. I read then that , if you over share/burden/say how lonely you are, that is not great either and puts pressure on others. Damned if you do damed if you don't.

I am happily single too, have my own home, good job, will never remarry or share my home again. Like going on dates when i want to. Like you, i just want to meet friends for good company, conversation and laughs. Always have. Made time for my friends always, even when i had young children and working and they were not and child free. I love my friends and enjoy their company. They are intelligent funny people.

I have no problems , nothing to complain about, so not like i am going to bring anyone down. I think people who are not " alone" and by that i mean , have people they go home to, go to Costa with, walk the dog with, go on holiday with , forget , what it is do these things alone all the time. When they are "busy", they really mean they just cannot be bothered as they have all they need and are not lonely basically.

I am of a view that friends should not be picked up and maintained just when it suits your circumstance. I think your friends OP are "busy" in the sense that they are not alone. I suspect should any of your friends find themselves in a position when they have to on holiday alone, live alone, go for coffee alone and walk the dog daily alone, basically do life alone, day after day, you may find that they are not as "busy" as they used to be!

I think OP, the answer here is to broaden your friendship group. Join clubs/societies/walking groups/fun dog training that sort of thing, to expose you to more people. More single people, women and men who want to meet up, go out and do things. People who are looking for a social life.

I do not think you are asking too much of your friends. A few hours of their time every few months is nothing. I have found that friends only realise that you may have needed a bit of company, once they find themselves alone. Even then , their new found enthusiasm for meeting up is self serving and only lasts until they meet the next person. Expand on your friendship group but equally, i would not personally be so available to those current friends who have left you alone all this time , especially should their circumstances change. I have let a lot of friendships " fade" now as they only seem to be in touch when they need something.

Taliskerskye · 04/06/2021 16:50

I think it’s extremely healthy to make different friends at different stages of your life. Some stay forever, some stay for a bit.
I have a few friends I know I will lose when they have children.
I’m surprised at some that have stayed friends and some that I’ve lost.
But it’s always good to have new friends. Of any age as well! I have 20 years older 15 years younger.

Taliskerskye · 04/06/2021 16:52

Also. As many of your friends might find out in 15-20 years
If you don’t keep up friendships. If your husband fucks off with the admin assistant from work, it’s really not good to have pinned all your life on one person.

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 04/06/2021 16:53

@Taliskerskye

I think it’s extremely healthy to make different friends at different stages of your life. Some stay forever, some stay for a bit. I have a few friends I know I will lose when they have children. I’m surprised at some that have stayed friends and some that I’ve lost. But it’s always good to have new friends. Of any age as well! I have 20 years older 15 years younger.
so true. you'll be with people for a reason, for a season or forever.
WisconsinRaw · 04/06/2021 17:01

You're not being unreasonable, but I think we are (as a society) in a really rough patch right now. For a year we've been clinging on to the idea of that moment at the end of a disaster movie when we emerge shaken and dusty from the ashes, jubilant at having survived. But now we're (sort of) there, it doesn't feel that way. It just feels weird and scary and overwhelming.

I know I'd love nothing more than to socialise and spend time with my friends but it's also overwhelming and scary. My industry has re-started after being basically shut down for a year, and although I'm grateful, it's hard to adjust to suddenly having so much work and so many deadlines and so much pressure to 'get my career back on track' by not letting a single work opportunity go by me. I think we're all struggling with trying to re-socialise ourselves after a year of isolation. For some there's the fear of a third wave or fear that the government is opening up too fast.

It's like coming out of prison. You have to re-habituate yourself to the world again and for some people that takes time.

girl71 · 04/06/2021 17:07

"Also. As many of your friends might find out in 15-20 years
If you don’t keep up friendships. If your husband fucks off with the admin assistant from work, it’s really not good to have pinned all your life on one person".

I hinted at this in my earlier post. I am of an age now ( 50 ) where this has indeed happened to a few lots /most of my "friends". That or their kids now over 18 so , husband safe to leave now as no maint to pay and takes his opportunity to exit and leave.

Nothing more unattractive in my view than a "friend" who suddenly decides to invest in their " friendships ", decades since they last bothered with you but days after DH has left . I immediately slowly fade those ones out .

LilMidge01 · 04/06/2021 17:10

@TedMullins

Christ, these replies. So basically you’re all saying that once you’ve got live-in partners and kids you just discard your single friends because you’re “content” and the problem is them for needing “so much going on?” What a depressing indictment of how much you (don’t) value friendships. I hope none of you ever break up with your partners and need those friends. Very glad I don’t know people who think like this
Indeed. Also, break ups aside, it reminds me of the attitude of one of my aunts who now in her older years with her kids having flown the nest and barely ever visit her with their gc, seems to be sitting there wondering what to do with her life/where her friends are/ where her interests are? Shes a boring person and what is the saddest thing about it is she has realised this far too late and it makes her sad. I'm not always the most enthusiastic and I also like to chill after work...but I also realise life is for living!!! I hate to look back on even a year and think that the main thing I did was "work" and "chill" and nothing else... seems like some people are happy spending their lives doing little else
SecretSpAD · 04/06/2021 17:15

"Depending on the couples - along with everything else mentioned by others there's often a lot of negotiating over time - when you have to take into account both partners' schedules. Your work, his work, your family, his family, your shared and individual house/chore responsibilities, date nights, his exercise schedule, your exercise schedule, your hobbies, his hobbies etc etc

I think I'm obviously doing marriage wrong. In my house I might mention to my husband that my friends want to meet up for a bbq on Saturday. He then might mention he's off cycling with a friend on Sunday. We both say "alright then, enjoy" and job done. Still manage to spend plenty of time together and occasionally even with the kids. My dad pops in and out when he fancies and has a chat with whoever is there. We visit the in laws when we run out of excuses not to and they start threatening to cut us out of the will (joke).

The above sounds too exhausting.

Taliskerskye · 04/06/2021 17:36

I was a bit Hmm at date nights when you’re childfree.
I think they’re mostly twaddle anyway, but I can see how kids might stop you just going to the pub or something. But date nights for childfree is worrying sign of a relationship impo!

Gwenhwyfar · 04/06/2021 17:41

@WisconsinRaw

You're not being unreasonable, but I think we are (as a society) in a really rough patch right now. For a year we've been clinging on to the idea of that moment at the end of a disaster movie when we emerge shaken and dusty from the ashes, jubilant at having survived. But now we're (sort of) there, it doesn't feel that way. It just feels weird and scary and overwhelming.

I know I'd love nothing more than to socialise and spend time with my friends but it's also overwhelming and scary. My industry has re-started after being basically shut down for a year, and although I'm grateful, it's hard to adjust to suddenly having so much work and so many deadlines and so much pressure to 'get my career back on track' by not letting a single work opportunity go by me. I think we're all struggling with trying to re-socialise ourselves after a year of isolation. For some there's the fear of a third wave or fear that the government is opening up too fast.

It's like coming out of prison. You have to re-habituate yourself to the world again and for some people that takes time.

I'm not sure that this is true more generally. I was listening to the radio today with hoteliers and restaurateurs saying how many bookings they've had. LOADS of people are REALLY keen to get back out asap.

Also, as OP is 27, I'd be really surprised if many of her friends are vulnerable to Covid or excessively worried about it.

Taliskerskye · 04/06/2021 17:42

@girl71
You are not allowed to say on mumsnet that you’re highly likely to get divorced! So keep up with your friends. You’ll just get accused of being bitter!!

In my experience often women really lose out when a split happens. Because the man usually has a ready made life to go to, and hasn’t neglected his golfing mates. And the woman has martyred herself.

I was eternally grateful when I was dumped on from a great height that I had a fucking good set of pals. I wouldn’t have coped on my own.

Gwenhwyfar · 04/06/2021 17:45

@Taliskerskye

Also. As many of your friends might find out in 15-20 years If you don’t keep up friendships. If your husband fucks off with the admin assistant from work, it’s really not good to have pinned all your life on one person.
I used to think this, but actually I'm not sure it's true. People's friends change over the years anyway - you might move for example so you have to start again all through your life anyway.
Gwenhwyfar · 04/06/2021 17:50

"In my experience often women really lose out when a split happens. Because the man usually has a ready made life to go to, and hasn’t neglected his golfing mates. And the woman has martyred herself."

Not sure about this. I think men can be even worse about not wanting to go out once they have a girlfriend/partner. Women are more sociable imo.
On the other hand, a few decades ago it was frowned upon for women to go out without their husbands and it's always, and still is, easier for men to go to the pub by themselves.

Taliskerskye · 04/06/2021 17:52

@Gwenhwyfar
That doesn’t make much sense. I said make new friends always. Even if I moved away I would.
But if you’re the type of person who relays on your dp and your children and doesn’t nurture friendships, how’s that going to change if you move. Unless you move on your own, which is basically my point.

Friends even if they’re miles away are there for you when you need them.