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Shared garden issue

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Sudoku88 · 30/05/2021 21:11

There is a communal garden/patio in my block which essentially is only used by the two ground floor flats (my flat and my neighbour’s flat, I’ll call him John) as it’s quite small.

My neighbour and I collaborated and paid quite a lot of money to get the patio paved so it would be much nicer space that we could actually use and enjoy.

Although it is a communal space, there is his side and my side of the patio. Basically, the issue is to do with me watering my plants on my side of the patio, and the water trickling down to his side as there is a subtle downward slope (which was only discovered after the patio was laid); something he doesn’t like. All my plants are in containers which which have a higher tendency to dry out.

Now, I would describe John as a generally very reasonable person. However, I can see this issue of my plant water moving down to his side of the garden as becoming a cause of friction.

To give some background: I do not live at the property, but rent it out. However, my tenants don’t use the patio at all so John essentially has the area all to himself and his wife. I come about twice a week via the back gate, especially when the weather is hot, to clean, sweep up, attend to and water my plants. I probably spend about 2.5 hours each visit, then I am gone, so for the rest of the time, John will have quiet enjoyment of the whole area to himself.

I love gardening, it’s my form of relaxation, and have invested a lot of time, effort and money on my plants. When I visit, I want to get on with things with no interference or feel any pressure or be dictated as to what I can and can’t do.

Recently, John has started suggesting that he will water my plants for me, (basically later on in the evening when he and his wife have finished using the garden) which I don’t want, as I want to do it myself. In the past when he has watered my plants for me, he hasn’t done a proper job and I have turned up to find some pots absolutely bone dry. Essentially, I know my plants, and know which ones need more watering and which ones need less.

I am normally a very relaxed, live and let live sort of person. But how I see it is that he ought to put things into perspective and be thankful that for a very large majority of the time he has the whole place to himself. That me coming to attend to my plants and the trickle of water going onto his side of the patio (twice a week) is a very minor inconvenience worth putting up with when he is able to have quiet enjoyment for more than 80% of the time. It could be a whole lot worse; I could be coming round for 8 hours/day, 7 days/week! so a total of 5 hours per week and a bit is water is is not worth complaining and creating tension over when for the rest of the time he have the whole place to himself.

My routine is to water just before I leave, he knows this. As the weather was nice yesterday, he was outside in the patio with his wife when I arrive to do my gardening. Just as I was going to water my plants, he suggested that he would do it later, but I replied ‘no, I’d like to do it myself as I had repotted some plants and they needed different amounts of water. There was an awkward silence, and then when the water trickled down to his side, he got a broom and started trying to sweep the water away into the drain, as if to make a point (but in reality there wasn’t enough water to flow sweep into the drain).

Sorry about the long, convoluted post. When I re-read it, it really does sound so petty. Am I being unreasonable, what would you do in this situation?

OP posts:
Sudoku88 · 31/05/2021 10:30
Thanks very much, looks great and just what I need.

It is only the water from certain pots which trickle down to his side so I will get trays for those and like someone else suggested, once the water has stopped running out, I can just empty the trays.

Despite of the abuse and unpleasantness of some of the replies, I have received some constructive feed back and found a solution to the problem.

What baffles me is the criticism I received for how long I chose to spend attending to the plants. What does it matter? Im not hurting anyone. Yes it’s wonderful to sit back and enjoy the plants you have nurtured, but equally enjoyable is the actual gardening process to get there. Paying a gardener to go there and attend to the plants is no different to me doing it myself for free. And before anyone goes on about my tenant being there: it is a temporary arrangement and HE IS NOT BOTHERED!!

OP posts:
HeyDemonsItsYaGirl · 31/05/2021 10:33

I don't think it's criticism but utter bafflement. You've stressed how small the area is and your potted plants are only on half of it. Even if they're all bonsai trees I don't see how it can take 2.5 hours a day.

freeez · 31/05/2021 10:48

But John is clearly bothered and I don't blame him. I wonder what the law says about quiet enjoyment in the case of communal gardens? It's communal for the tenants, not for the bloody landlords.

SueSaid · 31/05/2021 10:49

'What baffles me is the criticism I received for how long I chose to spend attending to the plants. What does it matter? Im not hurting anyone'

Watering tubs is a ten minute job. Your tennant of course won't admit to minding your 2.5 hours pottering even if he did mind. It is causing friction so why do it? Surely that affects the enjoyability of it. Go in the evening at 9pm and water then as most people tend to.

CellophaneFlower · 31/05/2021 10:50

OP perhaps you should supply a breakdown of how many pots you have and how long you spend tending to each plant? Also if you could provide a written statement from your tenant stating they don't mind you being there, this just might satisfy some of the posters on your thread Hmm

SueSaid · 31/05/2021 11:00

'Also if you could provide a written statement from your tenant stating they don't mind you being there, this just might satisfy some of the posters'

Grin

Look the op posted a lengthy story about 'gardening'/watering plants that clearly is irritating the other resident. Why put yourself through it! Water quicker, later or get an allotment.

Sudoku88 · 31/05/2021 11:04

@JaniieJones

'What baffles me is the criticism I received for how long I chose to spend attending to the plants. What does it matter? Im not hurting anyone'

Watering tubs is a ten minute job. Your tennant of course won't admit to minding your 2.5 hours pottering even if he did mind. It is causing friction so why do it? Surely that affects the enjoyability of it. Go in the evening at 9pm and water then as most people tend to.

I give up!!
OP posts:
FOJN · 31/05/2021 11:16

Would it be possible to cut a channel in the paving between your half and the neighbours and fill it with gravel which would act as a drain for the water? It would probably only need to be a few inches wide and deep.

CellophaneFlower · 31/05/2021 11:22

@JaniieJones

'Also if you could provide a written statement from your tenant stating they don't mind you being there, this just might satisfy some of the posters' Grin

Look the op posted a lengthy story about 'gardening'/watering plants that clearly is irritating the other resident. Why put yourself through it! Water quicker, later or get an allotment.

It isn't about simply watering the plants though is it? OP stated that she finds it relaxing looking after her plants, so she's clearly taking her time and enjoying it.

An allotment is worth thinking about though. The rent on them is practically peppercorn and often there are quite a few locally. There's 1 literally 5 minutes walk from me which I didnt know existed for 2 years as it's completely surrounded by houses.

Taliskerskye · 31/05/2021 11:26

This thread is bonkers. The op obviously has more than a couple of pots. Loves gardening and has a friend as a temporary tenant who is happy for her to look after her garden before her kid moves in.

What’s so mad about that. How much time anyone else spends on watering and gardening is totally irrelevant!

OP. I agree with the trays. Perhaps when your ds/dd moves in they can be in charge of watering the ones that drip into his bit of an evening. And you can still do all the gardening stuff you enjoy

freeez · 31/05/2021 11:28

OP a question: if after your family friend and DC have moved out, and if you then had a tenant you didn't previously know, would you continue to keep your pots there? And if so, would you still think it reasonable to go round as much as you do?

Rebelwithverysharpclaws · 31/05/2021 11:47

I wonder if people are jealous that OP has a rental property.

godmum56 · 31/05/2021 11:48

@Taliskerskye

This thread is bonkers. The op obviously has more than a couple of pots. Loves gardening and has a friend as a temporary tenant who is happy for her to look after her garden before her kid moves in.

What’s so mad about that. How much time anyone else spends on watering and gardening is totally irrelevant!

OP. I agree with the trays. Perhaps when your ds/dd moves in they can be in charge of watering the ones that drip into his bit of an evening. And you can still do all the gardening stuff you enjoy

yeah but it was kind of drip feedy (ha gardening allusion) first it was a tenant then it was a reli then it was a reli staying there temporarily....
Sudoku88 · 31/05/2021 11:50

@freeez

OP a question: if after your family friend and DC have moved out, and if you then had a tenant you didn't previously know, would you continue to keep your pots there? And if so, would you still think it reasonable to go round as much as you do?
No, if it were a proper AST with strangers, I would not be going round there. I am well aware of the rules of renting out property as I have rented out previous properties on AST agreements.

This flat is a different matter. I used to l live there, now a family friend is living there temporarily, after him my DC will be moving in and then I will return to live there again. The flat will never be rented out again, that is why I am willing to put the effort into looking after plants I don’t currently ‘enjoy’. If it were a proper rental agreement, I would not have plants there as I would not be going round to tend to them.

OP posts:
Hadtocomment · 31/05/2021 12:16

Hi OP. I think that with lockdown and all the pressures it can be easier to feel more irritated or affected by issues that are pretty small. Perhaps John is getting a bit overfocused in this way. He perhaps feels annoyed at water going and feels it's a small thing you are insisting on when he's offered to do it. I think maybe as you have been cordial neighbours and as you might well move back that maybe it's worth making efforts but also having a chat about it to make him realise that really it could be worse and you are bearing him in mind. Perhaps getting some trays and telling him that. But also maybe in the same chat you could say something that makes it clear that you really like the way you've both made the area nicer together but you also know these aren't private areas and whilst you can make every effort about the water in then future people may move in who will be using the space more and you can't control that but hope you can carry on getting on and being reasonable with each other...perhaps this might make him realise he's really onto a good thing whilst also seeing that you are making efforts but at the same time if he starts getting very possessive and unreasonable that isn't really on...I think you both sound like you should be able to get on and it isn't worth things getting fractious over this. Don't be upset with MN. Again this past year prob means people venting on the internet or getting impatient more than usual. Loving plants also has been crucial for many mental health this past while and your pots may also uplift the mood of others living in the block as long as they are not blocked from enjoying them too.

Bluntness100 · 31/05/2021 12:39

Actually this is a genuine question, I’m not sure what your doing for five hours a week? We have a massive patio and at least a hundred pots, I couldn’t count, some massive, some tiny, and everything in between, (pisses me off a bit as my husband is obsessed) , but neither of us could spend five hours a week on them.

Sudoku88 · 31/05/2021 12:48

@Hadtocomment

Hi OP. I think that with lockdown and all the pressures it can be easier to feel more irritated or affected by issues that are pretty small. Perhaps John is getting a bit overfocused in this way. He perhaps feels annoyed at water going and feels it's a small thing you are insisting on when he's offered to do it. I think maybe as you have been cordial neighbours and as you might well move back that maybe it's worth making efforts but also having a chat about it to make him realise that really it could be worse and you are bearing him in mind. Perhaps getting some trays and telling him that. But also maybe in the same chat you could say something that makes it clear that you really like the way you've both made the area nicer together but you also know these aren't private areas and whilst you can make every effort about the water in then future people may move in who will be using the space more and you can't control that but hope you can carry on getting on and being reasonable with each other...perhaps this might make him realise he's really onto a good thing whilst also seeing that you are making efforts but at the same time if he starts getting very possessive and unreasonable that isn't really on...I think you both sound like you should be able to get on and it isn't worth things getting fractious over this. Don't be upset with MN. Again this past year prob means people venting on the internet or getting impatient more than usual. Loving plants also has been crucial for many mental health this past while and your pots may also uplift the mood of others living in the block as long as they are not blocked from enjoying them too.
Thanks very much for your message and good advice which i shall take on board. I definitely know this is not something worth falling out over. Letting him know I am making efforts to reduce the water going to his area will hopefully diffuse the situation a bit.
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chesirecat99 · 31/05/2021 13:37

I think the issue is that both you and John have started to think of your respective halves of the patio as your own private space. It's not, it's a communal space. Normally there are rules in the lease about what you can do in a communal garden. What does your lease say? It would be unusual to be allowed to have your own plants or garden furniture or to do anything at all to the garden without the agreement of everyone and/or the freeholder.

I think John is probably in the right here. Sorry Flowers You are doing something in a communal area without permission that is upsetting another leaseholder. Whereas John isn't actually actively doing anything to get what he wants (the place to himself) nor doing anything in breach of the lease.

You can get self watering pots that have a reservoir, which would be great for you when the weather is really hot and pots can need watering up to twice a day. The best ones have a float that show how much water is in the reservoir so you can see when they need watering. It also means that you can stop filling them before they overflow - solving the issue of the water running out. Or you could get cheaper ones without a float but use a tray to catch any overflow.

I use the Lechuza ones on my balconies to prevent showering people on the pavement below. They are excellent but expensive. The elho ones are good too but you can get really cheap ones from Wilko or the Stewart brand, sold in garden centres or Amazon. This one is just £4:

www.wilko.com/en-uk/clever-pots-tomato-planter-charcoal/p/0461500

sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea · 31/05/2021 14:29

OP, firstly you didn't really give us the relevant information. All you had to say was 'bit of an issue with a shared patio. Currently letting a relative live there, but I'm still keeping an eye on the garden. Think John might have an issue with me being there, perhaps he's started to think of the patio as his, or is he trying to be helpful?'

Secondly, I have many, many friends who are professional gardeners. Landscapers, gardening services, horticulturists, nursery owners, head gardeners at estates. Not one single one would ever water a plant in the daytime. Less still would they spend 5 hours of a working week on tubs on a patio. So I feel this is less about your gardening prowess, and more about you getting huffy with John because he wanted to relax on the patio without you making an enormous passive aggressive demonstration of how hard you work to 'attend' to your plants. Apologies if I'm wrong.

LolaButt · 31/05/2021 14:44

John sounds a bit odd. It’s a trickle of water, not urine.

Sudoku88 · 31/05/2021 15:22

@Bluntness100

Actually this is a genuine question, I’m not sure what your doing for five hours a week? We have a massive patio and at least a hundred pots, I couldn’t count, some massive, some tiny, and everything in between, (pisses me off a bit as my husband is obsessed) , but neither of us could spend five hours a week on them.
2.5 hours twice. Week was a figure I threw up in the air. I have never consciously thought about how much time I spend there or timed my self. I have not been for quite a while due to winter/ the cold weather, and have only started going again. The last time I was there I spent about 2.5 hours.

Once everything has been sorted out I’m sure I will spend a lot less time there. Will juggling work, kids etc I have not actively analysed exactly how long I spend there.

OP posts:
Diamondnights · 31/05/2021 15:29

Another possible workaround would be to stand the pots on those little terracotta pot feet, in a tray. That would prevent the excess water escaping but not make the pots sit in water. My container plants benefit from this 'air around the roots' but I don't know if that is the case for all plants.

Cherrysoup · 31/05/2021 15:40

I think yabvu going round. Poor tenants! Don’t you have space at your own place for plants? Don’t you think your tenants deserve quiet enjoyment? Don’t they want use of the space?

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SueSaid · 31/05/2021 15:49

'I think yabvu going round. Poor tenants'

They don't mind apparently. Mind, if the op said 'you don't mind if I pop round to water the plants occasionally do you' they possibly didn't envisage 2.5hr sessions twice a week.

No one wants LL round twice a week. No one! Just let John do it and try another relaxing hobby. Yoga?