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Shared garden issue

201 replies

Sudoku88 · 30/05/2021 21:11

There is a communal garden/patio in my block which essentially is only used by the two ground floor flats (my flat and my neighbour’s flat, I’ll call him John) as it’s quite small.

My neighbour and I collaborated and paid quite a lot of money to get the patio paved so it would be much nicer space that we could actually use and enjoy.

Although it is a communal space, there is his side and my side of the patio. Basically, the issue is to do with me watering my plants on my side of the patio, and the water trickling down to his side as there is a subtle downward slope (which was only discovered after the patio was laid); something he doesn’t like. All my plants are in containers which which have a higher tendency to dry out.

Now, I would describe John as a generally very reasonable person. However, I can see this issue of my plant water moving down to his side of the garden as becoming a cause of friction.

To give some background: I do not live at the property, but rent it out. However, my tenants don’t use the patio at all so John essentially has the area all to himself and his wife. I come about twice a week via the back gate, especially when the weather is hot, to clean, sweep up, attend to and water my plants. I probably spend about 2.5 hours each visit, then I am gone, so for the rest of the time, John will have quiet enjoyment of the whole area to himself.

I love gardening, it’s my form of relaxation, and have invested a lot of time, effort and money on my plants. When I visit, I want to get on with things with no interference or feel any pressure or be dictated as to what I can and can’t do.

Recently, John has started suggesting that he will water my plants for me, (basically later on in the evening when he and his wife have finished using the garden) which I don’t want, as I want to do it myself. In the past when he has watered my plants for me, he hasn’t done a proper job and I have turned up to find some pots absolutely bone dry. Essentially, I know my plants, and know which ones need more watering and which ones need less.

I am normally a very relaxed, live and let live sort of person. But how I see it is that he ought to put things into perspective and be thankful that for a very large majority of the time he has the whole place to himself. That me coming to attend to my plants and the trickle of water going onto his side of the patio (twice a week) is a very minor inconvenience worth putting up with when he is able to have quiet enjoyment for more than 80% of the time. It could be a whole lot worse; I could be coming round for 8 hours/day, 7 days/week! so a total of 5 hours per week and a bit is water is is not worth complaining and creating tension over when for the rest of the time he have the whole place to himself.

My routine is to water just before I leave, he knows this. As the weather was nice yesterday, he was outside in the patio with his wife when I arrive to do my gardening. Just as I was going to water my plants, he suggested that he would do it later, but I replied ‘no, I’d like to do it myself as I had repotted some plants and they needed different amounts of water. There was an awkward silence, and then when the water trickled down to his side, he got a broom and started trying to sweep the water away into the drain, as if to make a point (but in reality there wasn’t enough water to flow sweep into the drain).

Sorry about the long, convoluted post. When I re-read it, it really does sound so petty. Am I being unreasonable, what would you do in this situation?

OP posts:
DeepNorthFarmGardening · 30/05/2021 21:30

I do not live at the property, but rent it out. However, my tenants don’t use the patio at all

Is that because between their landlord treating it like their own garden and their neighbour glaring at anyone who dares to do normal gardening they don't feel comfortable there?

bunnybutts · 30/05/2021 21:31

Take the pots to your house. If I was your tenant I'd be reall pissed off that you were there for 5 hours a week.

Ideasplease322 · 30/05/2021 21:33

The water shouldn’t annoy John.

But - why on earth do you have plants there in the first place? You rent the flat out. Surely your tenants have the right to the garden not you?

You aren’t there to enjoy the containers, why are you going once a week to water them?

All very odd.

SwedishEdith · 30/05/2021 21:34

How many bloody plants have you got that you're there for 2.5 hours each time? I feel annoyed just reading this and I don't even live there.

Notaroadrunner · 30/05/2021 21:35

I'm not sure you should be going around at all. We have neighbours renting and I cannot imagine the landlords coming over to water the outdoor shrubs etc. I know the neighbours wouldn't appreciate the regular attendance of their landlord. It would most likely feel that they were being checked up on, regardless of the fact that you don't go inside.

MaizeBlouse · 30/05/2021 21:36

I'm confused.. has he ever actually said anything to you about this water run? You didn't mention anything other than him sweeping the water towards the drain whilst he was out there and you wanted to water, which sounds like a reasonable solution to me.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't get my knickers in a twist about a dribble of water if I was John but you sound a bit over invested in the whole thing when it seems like he hasn't even mentioned it to you.

LemonMuffins · 30/05/2021 21:37

Another one chiming in to say "but what about your tenants"? You really shouldn't be going in the garden at all - certainly not twice a week.

The neighbour sounds like an arse but you don't live there so it shouldn't really be your problem.

CliftonGreenYork · 30/05/2021 21:37

To everyone asking "what does he do when it rains" - I get the impression that his issue is when he wants to sit in the garden and suddenly has water pouring at his feet.

CurlyMango · 30/05/2021 21:37

Agree with those that say as you are renting out, you shouldn’t be there. You must chose to either rent out and not attend except when really requested. Or live there yourself.

HalzTangz · 30/05/2021 21:40

Why don't you just move the pots so when you water them they don't run across the patio.
But, I am surprised your tenants haven't complained, landlords are duly to give tenants a right to a peaceful life.
Take the plants to where you live, you can potter and water them until your heart content

motogogo · 30/05/2021 21:40

Drip trays! Problem solved

GillianAnderson · 30/05/2021 21:40

The tenants don't go outside because their LL is on their patio lol

SwimBaby · 30/05/2021 21:41

It all sounds a really weird set up. Come back
OP and tell us more.

Gazelda · 30/05/2021 21:44

I'm afraid that I suspect that the others flat dwellers are probably talking about you and John.
You've taken over the communal garden.
You've rented your flat but tend the Garden 5 hours each week
There's a battle of wills going on about watering.
Is there a building WhatsApp group that you're aware of?

BountyIsUnderrated · 30/05/2021 21:47

You don't live on the property, why are you intruding on their personal space?

EastWestWhosBest · 30/05/2021 21:47

@AttaGirrrrl

I’m more confused about why you’re going there if you have tenants. How do they feel about it?
Exactly what I was thinking. How can anyone relax when the landlord is turning up all the time.
SchrodingersImmigrant · 30/05/2021 21:47

How does he cope with rain?

Probably deals with rainy puddles forming on his side.........

Hallyup6 · 30/05/2021 21:47

You need to take your plants to wherever you're living, leave your tenants in peace and it'll also magically stop annoying your neighbour. He might be being unreasonable but I'm sure your tenants are incredibly pissed off at you showing up for 5 hours(!!!!) a week whether they use the patio or not. As a landlord you have no right to do that.

Dishwashersaurous · 30/05/2021 21:48

I suppose that op can't reply as she's at the flat and has no access to WiFi

xyzandabc · 30/05/2021 21:49

This is all a bit strange. You spend 5 hrs a week gardening a small patio area. What takes so much time?

You are spending all this time maintaining a garden that you can't enjoy because you don't live there.

Your tenants have the landlord pottering about outside their home for 5hrs a week. That would make me feel like you were checking up on me. I wonder if they don't use the patio because it still seems like 'your' space and they wouldn't want to damage your plants.

Immediate solution, put your pots on trays, then no water will run anywhere.

Longer term solution, take your plants to where you live so you can enjoy them all the time and tend to them as long and as frequently as you like. Thereby letting your rental tenants and their neighbours enjoy their space in peace without you being there.

LovelyLovelyWarmCoffee · 30/05/2021 21:51

I suppose OP has rented out the flat but without the outside space, same as you could do with a parking space.
Is there a good reason for you not to use drip trays?

Theunamedcat · 30/05/2021 21:51

Encourage the tenants to use the area im assuming they pay rent proportionate to a garden flat? Take your pots elsewhere

godmum56 · 30/05/2021 21:52

nightmare landlady

Slippy78 · 30/05/2021 21:53

It's not your garden, it's your tenants.

You sound like a weird landlord who still thinks that it's your home. Did you get permission from the freeholder to make alterations to land that isn't demised to your property?

SuperMonkeys · 30/05/2021 21:54

Why are you tending to a garden that isn't yours? Surely while it is rented out it belongs to the tenant?