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To think Boris should not have been married in Westmister Cathedral?

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buggerbuggery · 30/05/2021 14:19

Divorced people are not allowed to be married in a Catholic church. Boris Johnson has been married twice before. His first marriage was annulled, so the church does not count. But his second marriage does count. So he should never have been allowed to marry in a Catholic Cathedral.

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RaspberryCoulis · 30/05/2021 14:20

Not really up to you though is it?

The priest, bishop, archbish, cardinal or whoever is obviously more than happy to perform the ceremony.

Aquamarine1029 · 30/05/2021 14:21

I don't care and it's none of my business. Can't imagine why anyone would care, honestly.

buggerbuggery · 30/05/2021 14:23

@Aquamarine1029 because some of us are Catholics? This is not a private matter. It is about church rules.

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Spanglybangles · 30/05/2021 14:23

According to the article I read earlier, the Catholic Church will allow it as long as the previous marriages did not take place in a Catholic Church. So as long as that wasn’t the case, all is well.

CliftonGreenYork · 30/05/2021 14:25

His first 2 marriages were civil only so 'not in the eyes of God' that's why he was allowed a Catholic wedding.

buggerbuggery · 30/05/2021 14:25

@Spanglybangles that is a new rule that I have never heard before. I know plenty of people who could not marry in a Catholic Church because their partner was divorced and the first marriage was not in a catholic church.
This is simply because he is Prime Minister and is totally hypocritical of the church.

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RaskolnikovsGarret · 30/05/2021 14:25

There are a million things I dislike about Boris Johnson. Where he got married is not one of them.

Jayceewhy · 30/05/2021 14:25

Take it up with the church then.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 30/05/2021 14:26

Don’t see why anyone cares re the venue.
Plenty of people get married numerous times after breaking their vows.

TheQueef · 30/05/2021 14:26

It caused a bit of bollocks with HVIII but sadly Boris is PM so it's fitting.

buggerbuggery · 30/05/2021 14:28

"Catholic Wedding Q&A
Can we get married in the Catholic Church if one of us is divorced?
No, unless the previous marriage is found to be not valid or the former spouse has died (Canon 1085).

The marriage covenant is sealed by God, and the Church does not have the authority to dissolve it (see Catechism #1639-1640); the Church bases this on the teaching of Jesus (see Mark 10:6-12).

A new marriage is permitted, however, if the proper Church authorities determine that the previous marriage was invalid sacramentally from the beginning. A declaration that the previous marriage was invalid is called a declaration of nullity, or more commonly, an annulment. An annulment is not a type of divorce, because it does not dissolve the marriage bond; it merely confirms that the marriage bond was never properly contracted in the first place"

www.catholicweddinghelp.com/questions/divorce.htm

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OnTheBoardwalk · 30/05/2021 14:29

@RaskolnikovsGarret

There are a million things I dislike about Boris Johnson. Where he got married is not one of them.
This
buggerbuggery · 30/05/2021 14:29

So his first marriage was annulled so does not count. His second marriage and divorce does count.

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giletrouge · 30/05/2021 14:29

This is simply because he is Prime Minister and is totally hypocritical of the church. And is this the first time you've noticed your church is hypocritical? Because you've got some ride ahead if you keep looking critically from now on...

anothernewtop · 30/05/2021 14:30

@giletrouge

This is simply because he is Prime Minister and is totally hypocritical of the church. And is this the first time you've noticed your church is hypocritical? Because you've got some ride ahead if you keep looking critically from now on...

This. So this.

jay55 · 30/05/2021 14:30

Agreed.

I remember the torment a friend who left her first marriage due to extreme violence had when she couldn't marry in church.

If you're going to be a backwards organisation, be backwards for all.

MaybeCrazy2 · 30/05/2021 14:31

Well that’s the church for you, make it up as they go along.

Starlightstarbright1 · 30/05/2021 14:33

@giletrouge

This is simply because he is Prime Minister and is totally hypocritical of the church. And is this the first time you've noticed your church is hypocritical? Because you've got some ride ahead if you keep looking critically from now on...
🤣🤣🤣so true
Spanglybangles · 30/05/2021 14:36

@buggerbuggery I am not saying that is true as I have no clue, simply quoting from the BBC news article I read which read as follows...

Although Mr Johnson, 56, has been married twice before, the Roman Catholic Church can allow divorcees to remarry if the previous marriages were outside the Roman Catholic Church.

Nettleskeins · 30/05/2021 14:39

I'm a non practising Catholic, married. I find it abhorrent that he would want to claim that his second marriage wasn't technically a marriage at all. I don't care if he marries several times but don't suddenly claim to have discovered Christian marriage for the "first time", as if everything about your previous life was a sham and wrong in the eyes of God.
Just be honest. Have a civil ceremony. Move forward. Don't rewrite history.

Moules · 30/05/2021 14:39

My mum has a masters in Catholic theology and confirmed that if the first marriage(s) weren’t performed in the Catholic Church, you can remarry in the church. That was also always my understanding.

I have to say though, as a practicing Catholic I couldn’t care less

buggerbuggery · 30/05/2021 14:39

@Spanglybangles the catholic church only allows remarriages if the original spouse has died or the marriage is annulled.

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Aquamarine1029 · 30/05/2021 14:41

All of the horrific, unspeakable things the Catholic Church is responsible for and/or has turned a blind eye to, and you're concerned about this? Really?

buggerbuggery · 30/05/2021 14:41

@Moules

My mum has a masters in Catholic theology and confirmed that if the first marriage(s) weren’t performed in the Catholic Church, you can remarry in the church. That was also always my understanding.

I have to say though, as a practicing Catholic I couldn’t care less

That is not what the church teaches to parishioners and is not what catholic websites say aimed at parishioners.
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buggerbuggery · 30/05/2021 14:44

The Catholic Church teaches that marriages are unbreakable unions, and thus remarrying after a divorce (without an annulment) is a sin

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