Page 4 | To think Boris should not have been married in Westmister Cathedral?

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 30/05/2021 15:34

I wish the newly married couple well! Though not unexpected given fresh revelations from the Teflon house of cards with those with a history of selective use of rules and behaviour expectations whether political, medical, legal, religious or moral. Wishing them well and long term happiness. However I am sure many would look forward to the next one if this is continuation of a secretive well used theme and trend. Given the current pandemic circumstances and rules for such activities - some transparency concerning such basic key personal life events may work better in public life for political capital or at least be helpful by way of setting an example for those forced to reschedule weddings and so may not need to second guess changeable near future rules and restrictions.

Lovewinemorethanhusband · 30/05/2021 15:34

@buggerbuggery I was allowed to get married in a Catholic Church the second time, my first marriage broke up we'd had a registry office wedding and when we enquired we were told we still could if wanted , in the end we decided against it

RandomLondoner · 30/05/2021 15:34

Westminster Cathedral is a relatively new building, built 120 years ago on a site formerly occupied by a prison.

ginoclocksomewhere · 30/05/2021 15:35

@HideousKinky

ginoclocksomewhere Westminster Abbey is CoE Westminister Cathedral is Catholic

I cross posted with you, I just realised 😂 thanks though! 😅

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/05/2021 15:35

Westminster Abbey is C of E. Westminster Cathedral is Catholic.

There are many things to criticise the Catholic church for. This is the one in the news today. Criticising this doesn't mean one thinks everything else is great.

As above, but for Johnson.

AgeLikeWine · 30/05/2021 15:36

IDGAF where Boris gets married or about any other aspect of his private life. As long as my taxes are not paying for his wedding, it’s none of my business.

HideousKinky · 30/05/2021 15:36

@buggerbuggery

So they had a CofE marriage? Yes that is allowed.

It was in Westminster Cathedral. So it was Catholic.

katy1213 · 30/05/2021 15:38

@ginoclocksomewhere You are confusing Westminster Abbey and Westminster Cathedral.

Might be technically within church law, but a very bad PR move - comes across as one law for the rich and famous and one for the ordinary Catholic. Not that it's the first time; all those divorced European royals seems to get their annulments at the drop of a hat. But the Church would love to claim a PM for its own; look at the fuss when Blair went to Mass.

MustardRose · 30/05/2021 15:38

In situations like this, I always think to myself: "Hmm.. I wonder what Jesus would have said?"

Kinkybutkind · 30/05/2021 15:40

Maybe he sought dispensation from the Archbishop ... I know other divorcees married in Catholic Churches who have done similar. My own mother had her marriage and subsequent divorce annulled in the eyes of the church. Due to my fathers frankly heathen practices, it was felt she couldn’t have been expected to remain with him. She chose not to remarry but it can and has been done.

How it applies in Boris’ case I have no bloody idea but maybe we should worry less about his faith and marriage(s) and more about his politics and leadership as they are really the only things that affect us.

LongPauseNoAnswer · 30/05/2021 15:47

He make me heave. There is someone for everyone!

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 30/05/2021 15:50

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson seemingly is very creative in religious and all other loopholes given his track record and personal heritage background:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson

User629202 · 30/05/2021 15:51

‘Hypocritical and discriminatory organisation behaves in hypocritical and discriminatory manner’.

I don’t blame you for being upset OP, but I do think anyone expecting any kind of decency from the Catholic Church as an institution is setting themselves up for heartbreak.

Confusedandshaken · 30/05/2021 15:51

I don't get the fuss about this. It's normal. I'm a Catholic and my understanding has always been that only marriages in a Catholic Church are considered marriages by the Catholic Church. A wedding in a registry office or synagogue or Anglican Church is not recognised as a sacrament by the Catholic Church.

That's why, when you apply to be married in a Catholic Church the priest asks where you were baptised. He contacts your baptismal church to check they don't hold any records of a previous wedding in a Catholic Church. Once he marries you he notifies the baptismal church of your the marriage. They only record marriages in Catholic Churches because under church law they are the only ones that matter. If the records show you have been previously married in a Catholic Church then you have to produce evidence of an annulment or the spouses death.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/05/2021 15:55

The disrespect to his second wife and the children of that marriage is off the scale.

merrymouse · 30/05/2021 15:57

I understand why the Catholic Church would be prepared to marry him according to their doctrine, but I think it’s very, very offensive for Johnson himself to go along with the idea that his previous marriages (16 years, 25 years and 4 children) didn’t count.

No reason why they couldn’t get married in a registry office.

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 30/05/2021 15:58

Well I think the Catholic church has more to be worrying about than this.

NOTANUM · 30/05/2021 15:58

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

The disrespect to his second wife and the children of that marriage is off the scale.

Quite!

Joolsin · 30/05/2021 15:59

@RandomLondoner

I thought Westminster was a CofE cathedral?

You're not realising that Westminster Cathedral and Westminster Abbey are two different places. (I only realised this recently after a Catholic friend of DW dragged us to the Cathedral recently.)

Ah, thank you - I get it now!

StrawBeretMoose · 30/05/2021 16:06

@Moules

My mum has a masters in Catholic theology and confirmed that if the first marriage(s) weren’t performed in the Catholic Church, you can remarry in the church. That was also always my understanding.

I have to say though, as a practicing Catholic I couldn’t care less

Totally agree with this although I wouldn't call myself a practising Catholic now. I was convent-educated and had all the sacraments. A marriage not in the church was not a marriage in the eyes of the Catholic Church, people who were married in registry offices were considered by the church to be living in sin as it wasn't a proper marriage. There is no reason why a divorced person cannot marry in a Catholic Church if previous marriages were civil marriages.

Also this
All of the horrific, unspeakable things the Catholic Church is responsible for and/or has turned a blind eye to, and you're concerned about this? Really?
Hence why I'm not a practising Catholic.

FrangipaniBlue · 30/05/2021 16:08

Honestly OP, I think you need to channel your inner Elsa on this one........

HalzTangz · 30/05/2021 16:08

What's the big deal about it, harry and megan married in a Catholic Charl yet she was divorced, didn't see anyone kicking up a hoohah about them

HalzTangz · 30/05/2021 16:10

@buggerbuggery

Divorced people are not allowed to be married in a Catholic church. Boris Johnson has been married twice before. His first marriage was annulled, so the church does not count. But his second marriage does count. So he should never have been allowed to marry in a Catholic Cathedral.

In that case neither should harry and Megan, after all she was also divorced. They married in a Catholic Chapel. Did you feel annoyed about that wedding or is it just Boris you have a issue with

Mydogmylife · 30/05/2021 16:11

@sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea

I'm guessing neither Carrie nor Johnson have ever troubled their tumbling locks with even such basics as the ten commandments, so a minor quibble over where they can demand to get married is barely a blip. Must be lovely for his children to know their parents marriage didn't count. It certainly didn't for him.

Trying to keep clear of anything political here, because god knows we have enough of those threads, but this is just another example of him insulting the public once again, and especially those who do keep to their faith & its teachings (I disagree massively with RC faith, and have none myself, but try to be respectful of those who do).

Spot on

thecapitalsunited · 30/05/2021 16:15

Boris could get married in a Catholic a church because he was baptised Catholic but his two previous marriages weren’t performed according to canon law so they could be annulled. Catholics must marry according to canon law or it is an invalid marriage. That has always been the case.

My marriage to a Catholic is invalid because I am unbaptised, we didn’t get permission and we didn’t get married in a Church. My husband would be free to annul our marriage in the eyes of the Church and marry again. Any children would be considered legitimate by the Church because at least one of us entered the marriage in good faith.